Interesting Thought (standing for the pledge...)

by darthfader 41 Replies latest social humour

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  ziddina

  As Blondie said...

  I always stood for the pledge at my school. I also stood for the anthem - didn't see much difference between standing for the pledge and standing for the anthem - I just never sang along...

  Until I left the cult, that is...

  About the "Iwo Jima raising the McDonald's sign" picture - offensive, maybe, but it really gets the point across....

  Fighting foreign wars to protect corporate interests has become the main function of the U.S. military...

  A lot of good people are losing their lives to support our wasteful lifestyle...

  Zid
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  james_woods

  About the "Iwo Jima raising the McDonald's sign" picture - offensive, maybe, but it really gets the point across....

  Fighting foreign wars to protect corporate interests has become the main function of the U.S. military...

  A lot of good people are losing their lives to support our wasteful lifestyle...

  I really have no idea what you are talking about. How in the hell does fighting a war (against terrorists) in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Libya promote McDonalds corporate interests?

  The witnesses refusal to salute the U.S. flag was supposed to be religious - not political. I call BS on that - the flag was never an object of worship - it is a national political symbol, and everybody who can read a dictionary should know the difference. However -

  I suspect that we have a lot of people here on JWN who would actively support refusing to salute the flag on purely political grounds. Sadly, these people largely think that the witnesses did some kind of great thing by disrespecting the U.S. flag.
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  N.drew

  I believe the only good thing that comes from that JW doctrine of objection is the lesson that one can object if one wants to. So then, like so many other things, it does not apply to children, who don't know, if they don't know.

  The mistake the Watchtower is making is to make it a RULE, instead of a CHOICE. Just like the WORLD makes the RULES so the Watchtower does too.
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  No Room For George

  Why is that Conservatives in this country can see all the wrong that the US Goverment does when it applies to what's going on here in the States, yet when it comes to what the US Goverment does overseas they're so achingly willing to turn a blind eye. Till the day I die, I'll never understand that.
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  EmptyInside

  I also stood for the pledge of allegience,out of respect for what the flag represented. But,as a Witness I wouldn't recite a pledge,because I was taught our allegience only belongs to God,years later I realized it went to the GB. But,that is beside the point.

  I still respect the rights of others not to recite the pledge. We have the freedom to disagree.
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  james_woods

  If the reason to not salute the flag is not religious, then what other religion could there be?

  I submit that the only real reason people do this is to make a political protest against the U.S. government.

  Why is that Conservatives in this country can see all the wrong that the US Goverment does when it applies to what's going on here in the States, yet when it comes to what the US Goverment does overseas they're so achingly willing to turn a blind eye. Till the day I die, I'll never understand that.

  Let me help you out with that, George. It is a little like being in a family - maybe you disagree with some purely family issues, but if some bully from across the street tries to beat up on your little brother, the whole family stands together.
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  techdotcom

  The pledge of Allegiance has NOTHING to do with respecting our soldiers and our hard won freedoms. It is entirely the result of a socialist flag salesman who needed a hook to sell more flags. Originally this pledge also did not include the words "under god" as well. If we are free citezens then our government should be pledging alligiance to it's citezens not the other way around.

  The cartoon is offensive to anyone who really understands the meaning of freedom and see's the nature of the pledge for what it is. I do not bow to a king, flag or god. I do however have great respect for the honor shown and the sacrifices made by our soldiers. They make a pledge to serve and sign away many of their rights to preform their duty. We are not only under no obligation to do so, but we should consider ourselves lax in our duty and responsibility to accept an oath like the pledge for general civilian use. Our job is to question and to even fight our own government if necessary in order to protect our freedoms. Let's not forget how this country got started in the first place.

  I don't, however, tell my kids not to say the pledge. I see no reason to make a big point about it normally. But the cartoon and the blind patriotic attitude shown in it is highly offensive. Don't preach to me about how to appreciate our freedoms and get off the moral high horse formed from a false attidude about the meaning of the flag or the pledge.

  Here is a link to a wiki on the history of the pledge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
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  No Room For George

  Let me help you out with that, George. It is a little like being in a family - maybe you disagree with some purely family issues, but if some bully from across the street tries to beat up on your little brother, the whole family stands together.

  Here let me fix that illustration for you, JAmes.

  Let me help you out with that, George. It is a little like being in a family - maybe you disagree with some purely family issues, but if some bully from across the street tries to beat up on your little brother, Big Brother who you know is an utter asshole by the way, the whole family stands together.
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  james_woods

  I think George has some real loyalty issues with the United States.
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  ziddina

  "How in the hell does fighting a war (against terrorists) in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Libya promote McDonalds corporate interests? ..."(james_woods)

  [face/palm slap]

  First of all, there WEREN'T any "terrorists" in Iraq, UNTIL 'Dubya' invaded on the pretext of finding "weapons of Mass Destruction ™ ". However, there WAS OIL - lots and LOTS of oil...

  Secondly, 'Dubya' totally BLEW the opportunity to capture Bin Laden while he WAS in Afghanistan, but 'Dubya's' idiotic mis-handling of the situation - and the behavior of his "handlers", turned THAT morass into a ten-year war...

  And Libya? I don't know about Libya, but there's probably some corporation like Halliburton profiting from it, too...

  That military/industrial complex mentality is deeply entrenched in American politics, and needs to be rooted out...

  Oh, and here's an interesting website on the subject of corporations profiting from war in Iraq...

  http://www.businesspundit.com/the-25-most-vicious-iraq-war-profiteers/