Therapy

by larc 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • waiting
    waiting

    howdy larc,

    In my psych class, the question was asked "what's the difference between going to a psychologist and a therapist?" Prof. Castleton, Ph.D answered: "Basically, you get what you pay for."

    More or less, I agree with him. However, at least the therapists I've been to, didn't have Masters Degrees. The women were RN's, then went back for further education in their specified fields. However, the title MS wasn't on their credentials.

    One of these therapists did a world of good for me. One was ok, one was a jw quack - with proper credentials however.

    As for elders? In our city, there WAS one elder who went to college after doing his time in the military (came into the org during his last military year.) He was a jerk who thought he and his family were better & more intelligent than anyone else. He was a good insurance salesman though.

    Another elder is an RN - but he took some serious backstabbing for going to college with 5 kids and his wife working two jobs to help out. With the end coming so soon, the other elders couldn't figure out why he was putting forth so much effort in this dying system of things........

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    On occasion the Awake has included references to excellent materials on depression and mental illness. But there has never been a book specifically written by the Society that would incoroporate some of the best secular information with a scriptural twist to it.

    There are JW's who have degrees and are licensed as counselors. Why doesn't the Watchtower consult with these people to produce a book that a JW could feel comfortable reading or that they could give to their prospective therapist so that they would understand some of the issues and perspectives of JW's. I guess they are too busy managing blood transfusions.

  • waiting
    waiting

    Hello Proplog,

    I am speaking of my own experiences in the following: A sister, RN with training in marriage counseling, etc., was practicing near Ventura CA. She was recommended highly by the local jw's' & elders.

    She moved to Boca Raton, FL - and again was spoken highly of by cong.
    I went to her for a time - extremely intensive therapy, with psychiatrist overviewing (once) for medication (Prozac).

    Virginia Monte did me much harm - she was a firm believer that there were only a few in the organization capable of teaching about the mind. She was waiting daily to receive a call from the Society for her to go up there to teach them what she knew.

    Virginia also knew that she was going to "teach the princes" in the New System. That's when I figured it out - she was using her self-perceived powers over the mind as leverage for being "just a woman" within the male dominated Society.

    Virginia also believed strongly in Satan, Satanists, generational covens of witches, wire tapping, stalking, - you name it, she believed it and taught it.

    Btw, she had no respect for other jw therapists - none were as capable as her. She wouldn't treat homosexuals for any ailment - not scripturally ethical in her opinion.

    There are JW's who have degrees and are licensed as counselors. Why doesn't the Watchtower consult with these people to produce a book that a JW could feel comfortable reading or that they could give to their prospective therapist so that they would understand some of the issues and perspectives of JW's.
    There are - and a fine one is named Barbara Anderson.

    .. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10925&site=3

    She also was a writer up at Bethel and did most of the research on the child abuse issue. When the Awake! issued it's first issue on this problem - she was the primary researcher.

    I've spoken with her before - fine woman. She left the organization and now helps others in many areas.

    waiting

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    This is obviously a big and major problem and has been for years but what are we suppose to do about it?
    How or what does it take to get an orginazation to change a policy with regards to health issues?
    plmkrzy

  • gravedancer
    gravedancer

    "You set a thief to catch a thief"...

    From my cynically biased vantage point I will generalize and say that all the therapists I have ever met are some of the most psychologically in need of something to bring them back to reality.

    Now don't all stone me at once - I am sure many will take a shot but that will just prove my point. Prove that you are mature therapists and convince us properly. Flame me and you are a nut - just like me!!

  • waiting
    waiting

    howdy dancer, (so much friendlier than grave, don't you think)

    I've seen 3 different psychiatrists for prescriptions of meds. The woman was fine, I liked her. Both men were lofty, cold, or just plain standoffish - didn't care for either of them. Of course, it could have been me too.........

    However, they all agree that a "sizable percentage" of mental health professionals could really benefit from therapy and/or having their licenses yanked.

    waiting

  • Smoldering Wick
    Smoldering Wick

    My first visit to a real life psychiatrist was in 1999. I saw her 4 times for about 5-10 minutes ea visit.

    I was intrigued to find out she was blonde (since I live in an area that's 98% Hispanic...i thought, cool...maybe we can relate) Then I find out she has the same first name as I do (that's rare) I was nervous, with all the stuff I'd been taught from the JWs about shrinks and their "worldly..ie Satanic" advice. I walk into her office and even though I was about as down as a person can get without being 6 feet under, I took notice of the decor.

    She must live on the island I observed. She has a tan, perfect teeth and she likes dolphins and nature. I began to feel more at ease. I was blonde, intelligent (an oxymoron), loved the island and nature. This was good.

    I felt weak. How come I was on this side of the desk? Why did she get to go to college and I didn't? How could she ever understand my life and what I've been through? She looked similar to me. She even had my same name.

    Maybe I should just start. She'd have to understand.

    "Well, I left my religion." I said.

    "I see." She said.

    "I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses." I said.

    "I am aware of them." She said.

    She told me she had a few other 'patients' who were JWs. That made me less at ease. Who were they, I must know them. What if they find out how I really feel. I had too much to say...how was I ever going to get it out. I started crying.

    On my next visit, I wrote down what I planned to talk about. All the things I wasn't able to do growing up. I felt so repressed and chained. I just wanted freedom. I wanted to be free physically, but most of all mentally. I was in prison and felt dead.

    "I want to be free." I told her.

    "In what way?" She asks

    "If I want to have a cigarette...I want it to be my choice." I replied

    "I'm sure you are aware of Satan." She says

    "Of course." I say, puzzled.

    "Satan is a scheming, slithering snake crawling up your back, whispering in your ear." She says.

    I'm quiet. Confused. This is what psychiatrists do?

    I pick up my pills on the way out.

    What is that doctor creed? "First do no harm?" hmmmm

    Yesterday, I received an email from a friend of mine. It was one of those silly girl friend day chain emails I never pay attention to. I read it.

    "A good long talk can cure almost anything."

    Everyone needs someone with whom to share their secrets.

    Listening is just as important as talking.

    An understanding friend is better than a therapist; And cheaper too!

    Laughter makes the world a happier place.

    Sometimes you just need a shoulder to cry on.

    Gems may be precious. But, friendship is priceless.

    I realized that I had been in therapy and even a therapist online for the last four years. I have really grown, and healed...and helped others heal. Sharing laughter with people who have experienced your pain is the best therapy...and u can do it from ur own home at ur own time. The best part is, you end up with friends for life. What more could you ask for?

  • waiting
    waiting

    Yeah, discussion, arguing, laughing, etc., helps tremendously in leaving the jw's.

    But some people have deeper problems with their jw experience. Some people just have deeper problems (or more complex whatever) in general. Some, like me, have deep problems thanks to their parents. That's where therapy, reading, etc., comes in. We're all individuals, and our needs are different.

    When I talked explicitely of my past to another, I usually just get a blank stare, then a cough, a reach for a coffee cup, and a weak attempt to distance themselves from my conversation - which usually they started in the first place. That's where a competent therapist/pschologist/psychiatrist comes into play - they're actually schooled and paid to respond with knowledge. Of course, some of them are jerks too.

    I heard a long time ago, that the average person seeking therapy will go to at least 3 different ones before finding one attuned to them.
    I agree fully.

    waiting

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    Wick,

    Your story put chills down my back. Did she really say that? Creepy. I've had several therapists since I've left. I agree...you usually need to go to a couple to figure out which one works best for you. But it usually takes a few sessions with each one to figure out if they are worth the money.

    Andi

  • waiting
    waiting

    I have always read that a good, competent therapist will keep their own beliefs out of the session as much as possible.

    I fully agree. Wick's therapist was incompetent to bring that up. Btw, I thought therapists stopped doing that sort of thing back in the mid 90's.

    waiting

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