Returning to God - For those with minds of Reason (page 3)

Qcmbr

But I only need a winter coat and some sticky ribs. Otherwise I'm pretty sorted.

elderelite

Is there a reason u are not amswerimg my direct amd respectful question?

GLTirebiter

fearing that they might not be accepted in a loving manner, they may dread the thought of having to face persons who have continued to serve Jehovah faithfully.

Yes, being told that you should arrive at the last minute--sit in the back row with the other pariahs--not speak to the rest of the con gregation --then leave immediately after the final bar of the closing song would certainlyhave that effect!

Compare this to the return of the prodigal son. Where is the embrace and kiss? Why not dress the returning son in the finest robe, placing a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet? Is that preparing the fatted calf and and having a joyous feast? Are you showing joy, forgiveness and love? Or is it a display of power, punishment and spite?

This sort of treatment reminds me of the response of the other jealous son, not the father's loving celebration and rejoicing "because your brother was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found."

cofty

Ban the little prick.

OUTLAW

This was taken from a watchtower study article and without doubt, I am definitely sure it will be beneficial for the majority here:

Now take your spoon and approach the table, the food is ready.....Mankkeli

...OUTLAW

sabastious

Is there a reason u are not amswerimg my direct amd respectful question?

I have a cousin that I left behind in the Watchtower. Our family had a "pig phase" as I like to call it. Dad raised and slaughtered them for meat we ate and sold. One day my cousin convinced me to ride on the back of a very large one we had in it's barbed wire pen. He told me that everything would be fine, or something like that, and I ever so bravely got on the back of it. I had watched them grow up and they were pretty docile animals and I didn't weigh very much so I felt riding them would be possible.

Once I had gotten on the pig my cousin got a switch off the ground and immediately smacked it's butt. The enormous hog dragged me through the barbed wire fence and I remember it was pretty bloody and painful.

The moral to the story is some people just have this inner need to set aflame fires within the human spirit. My cousin didn't want me to go through the fence, I would never believe that for a second, but he sure did premeditatively try to scare the living daylights out of me. But, when I set them side by side in my mind I actually might take a barbed wire fence instead of being on the top of a frightened animal 5-7 times the size of me with hooves.

Manky seems to have a sick fascination with the way Ex-JW's react to certain stimuli. Just as my cousin had a sick fascination with human fear responses. The Mankster is not a Witness he is an amerature scientist, and a crappy one at that. He's probably got some scribble notebook somewhere with some nice artwork in it, a whole lot incoherent math equations and rantings of his conversations with God.

-Sab

N.drew

Those who see themselves in the position of the prodigal son, however, need not remain in this wretched state. But, like the prodigal son, they can put forth efforts to return to the house of their Father and to his service. This includes heartfelt repentance, abandoning their independent course and petitioning God for forgiveness of their sin. This agrees with the words of the prophet Jeremiah regarding those who had experienced, not God’s forgiveness, but his adverse judgment for failing to repent of their transgressions: “Do let us search out our ways and explore them, and do let us return clear to Jehovah. Let us raise our heart along with our palms to God in the heavens: ‘We ourselves have transgressed, and we have behaved rebelliously.”’—Lam. 3:40-42.

14 For many who no longer share in Jehovah’s service the way back may seem very difficult. Ashamed and fearing that they might not be accepted in a loving manner, they may dread the thought of having to face persons who have continued to serve Jehovah faithfully. Possibly those who have strayed have not prayed to Jehovah for a long time and, in view of what they have done, perhaps feel that they are not fit to live and could never gain God’s forgiveness. Are such fears warranted? Not at all. Jesus’ illustration and the many historical examples of Jehovah’s forgiving the transgressions of his people prove that his mercy is extended to all persons who return to him with a complete heart.

15 A case in point is Judean King Manasseh. The Scriptural record concerning his sins reads: “He went on to build altars to all the army of the heavens in two courtyards of the house of Jehovah. And he made his own son pass through the fire, and he practiced magic and looked for omens and made spirit mediums and professional foretellers of events. He did on a large scale what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes, to offend him. And there was also innocent blood that Manasseh shed in very great quantity, until he had filled Jerusalem from end to end.” (2 Ki. 21:5, 6, 16) Finally, when Manasseh found himself a captive in Babylon, he repented and kept praying to Jehovah. Despite Manasseh’s former conduct, Jehovah “heard his request for favor and restored him to Jerusalem to his kingship.” (2 Chron. 33:11-13) Few persons have acted as wickedly as did King Manasseh and, yet, on the basis of his repentance, he became a recipient of Jehovah’s mercy.

16 Centuries later, a spirit-anointed Christian in the congregation at Corinth, Greece, practiced sexual immorality with the wife of his father. The presence of this incestuous man endangered the spiritual welfare of the entire congregation and, therefore, the apostle Paul directed that he be expelled. (1 Cor. 5:1, 7-13) But this man was not cut off from association with the congregation for all time. Evidently regarding this man, after his having repented, we read: “This rebuke given by the majority is sufficient for such a man, so that, on the contrary now, you should kindly forgive and comfort him, that somehow such a man may not be swallowed up by his being overly sad. Therefore I exhort you to confirm your love for him.” (2 Cor. 2:6-8) That repentant wrongdoer remained a spirit-begotten Christian, with the hope of gaining life in the heavens.

17 The case of King Manasseh and that of the unnamed Christian in the Corinthian congregation indicate that wrongdoing does not automatically cancel out one’s opportunity of regaining a proper standing with Jehovah God. One who has become guilty of serious transgression can still pray to God and, if he is sincerely repentant, his prayers for forgiveness will be answered. (Compare Isaiah 1:15-19.) Certainly if Jehovah can be so forgiving, no one who claims to be his servant would want to reflect the unmerciful attitude of the older son in Jesus’ illustration.

Let's look at the doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses from a worldly pov please. There is no proof that God has sanctioned them, so let's go with that. (Proof would be love grows and prophesy becomes fullfilled). Let's imagine that The Holy One of Israel, Jah of armies cares about HIS NAME. And from the worldly pov it is copyrighted. It is obvious to anyone with an average intelligence and somewhat familiar with the organization of JWs that the previous paragraphs copied twice from the original Watchtower magazine mean let them come back to the organization. OK. But what does it SAY? It says come back to JEHOVAH. How long do you think God will allow the Watchtower to profit from HIS NAME? Is that the point after all? To make God come down to claim HIS NAME back? And, tell me, who's helping with that? HM. Not us.

cantleave

So the new Alice is a doctor - I saw of Halloween mask based on it..........

OUTLAW

The Bullshit is Endless..

Mankkeli claims to be:

1) A C/O assistant..

2)A Temp at Bethel..

3)An Apostofest organizor..

4) A Professor..

5) A Doctor

...OUTLAW

Ding

Mankkelli,

What the Watchtower means isn't "return to Jehovah." It means "return to the organization that claims to represent Jehovah." Those are two very different things. It would be difficult, for example, for you to find a religious group that has falsely prophesied the apocalypse more than the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

In fact, if you believe that the Watchtower Society speaks for Jehovah, what are you doing joining an "apostate" website? Even if your goal is to bring people back to "the truth", unless you have a special authorization from the Governing Body, you are committing a disfellowshipping offense by being here. So why should anyone follow your counsel?

Or do you reject the organization and encourage people to come to Jehovah directly and avoid the WTS?

Returning to God - For those with minds of Reason

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