Tampering with the COUNTDOWN CLOCK of Armageddon

by Terry 34 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Terry
    Terry

    1. Charles Taze Russell was not a Jehovah's Witness (because Judge Rutherford had not invented the term as yet); he was a 2nd Adventist (wannabe).

    2. Adventists were hung up on one idea that they could not let go of no matter how many times they were proved wrong: End Times date-setting.

    3.Pastor Russell threw every gimmick he could cobble together into creating a personal theology for sale using books and magazines through his publishing house. Dispensation charts, Pyramidology, claims of inside information (FDS bullshit) created a fanbase of customers.

    4. The eventual prediction for the End of the World was 1914 since Jesus had already returned. From 1879 to 1914 Russell worked this non-stop.

    5. The 1914 date was problematic. Russell decided to use the outbreak of WWI as a "beginning of the end" save to avoid being refuted outright.

    6. The strategy to hold on to 1914 was necessary due to 35+ years of emphasis and guarantees. Fudging the "little while longer" would buy time.

    7.The death of Russell created a power vacuum which Judge Rutherford seized opportunistically. This was like taking over a failing business which still had plenty of customers. The Judge needed a way to hold on, pump up the volume and wean customers away from disgust over another failed date!

    This began as SERIES OF SPACKLED OVER excuses, explanations, double-talk, flip-flops and lies continuously changing, distorting and transforming the MEANING of 1914.

    Telling a lie long enough creates a familiar new perception!

    Eventually, the Watchtower publications went along the lines of "assuming" 1914 was the BEGINNING of the pangs of distress all along! (Rather than the final battle of Armageddon as Russell had taught.)

    Sweeping previous teachings under the rug, Jesus' arrival (invisible parousia) was brazenly pulled forward to bolster and prop up the new lie.

    The best hope of maintaining the suspense and tension which was badly needed to replace the "hope" that 1914 once offered was to create

    a special FICTION about the GENERATION that would not pass away UNTIL.......the battle of Aramgeddon.

    The Watchtower Society kept pretending they had a foolproof COUNTDOWN CLOCK by pointing to the dwindling number of survivors on earth from 1914.

    As all Adventist failures end in a Great Disappointment, the only way to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat was to tamper with the Countdown Clock over and over again!

    What has pulled the Jehovah's Witness bacon out of the fire again and again wore vanishling thin in persuasive power to explain the unexplainable.

    Enough NEW converts have replaced OLD members as a majority of totally CLUELESS Kingdom Hall atendees. They are totally UNaware of the "generation" problems over the years and the tampering, fingerprints, scene of the crimes clues of the Governing Body crimes!

    Like a murderer returning to the scene of the crime, the Governing Body has hidden their malfeasance, changed the scene and challenged anybody who dares say different!

    With the violent threat of DEATH at Armageddon for anybody who accuses them of bald-faced prevarications the MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE boast and promise has been buried in a shallow grave!

    Only those of us who once smiled at householders with the feckless promise of deliverance "soon", or, who flawlessly laid out the generations Countdown Clock to our bible studies actually know how many thousands (if not millions) of us were shafted by the promise makers who are inveterate promise breakers.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    As all Adventist failures end in a Great Disappointment

    Terry, do you feel that these adventists consider the people that predated them were somehow different than themselves? Or are they just profiteers getting into the lucrative industry of hope and cheating death by denying it's existence? Is there money in disappointment?

    -Sab

  • Terry
    Terry

    I'm still trying to figure out why this topic double posted!!

    As all Adventist failures end in a Great Disappointment

    Terry, do you feel that these adventists consider the people that predated them were somehow different than themselves? Or are they just profiteers getting into the lucrative industry of hope and cheating death by denying it's existence? Is there money in disappointment?

    -Sab

    Like most nonsense, the people who ASSUME the premise is correct don't bother to examine this presupposition!

    Few people in Christendom challenge the idea that Jesus is coming back!

    Adventists felt that way when they heard William Miller lay it all out for them.

    The premise seemed solid, consequently, it was only a matter of WHEN!

    Every lunatic from then on has had a crack at cherry-picking scriptures and pointed to "Signs" in the world that support their own private interpretation.

    The problem is that the PREMISE IS WRONG!

    The so-called "signs" of his 2nd Coming are indistinguishable from every decade from mankind's beginning!

    There have always been wars, rumors of wars, lawlessness, etc. etc., earthquakes, etc. etc.

    But, for people who feel THEIRS must be END TIMES, they just find an explanation that "makes sense" to their little pea brains and off they go!!

  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough

    You're deluding yourself. And you won't be the one getting the last laugh.

    The earth is destined for fire and complete destruction which is made clear by 2 Peter 3:10,11: "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a mighty roar and the elements will be dissolved by fire and the earth and everything in it will be found out. ... everything is to be dissolved this way," (NAB; "Total destruction is assumed (11)," notes 3,10). "...the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat" (2 Peter 3:12). "But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men" (2 Peter 3:7). Peter's warning reemphasized Zephaniah's warning, where the ancient prophet transmitted the Almighty's words, "I will utterly consume all things from off the face of the ground, saith Jehovah. I will consume man and beast; I will consume the birds of the heavens, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the face of the ground, saith Jehovah" (Zephaniah 1:2,3)

    Complete destruction of man on earth is intended. " Their blood will be poured out like dust and their entrails like dung. 18 Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them on the day of the LORD’s wrath.” In the fire of his jealousy the whole earth will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live on the earth (Zephaniah 1:17, 18). The Jehovah's Witnesses theory that they alone, their great crowd, will survive Armageddon and be ruled from heaven by the 144,000 is simply not in accord with Scripture.

    http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index.html

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    The so-called "signs" of his 2nd Coming are indistinguishable from every decade from mankind's beginning!

    To me the prophecy of the "love of the greater number cooling down" is quite profoud. Maybe it's not a prophecy, but an astonishing prediction of the distant future. One which would require in depth understanding of the human brain and psychology, which the ancients did not have a shortage of.

    -Sab

  • Terry
    Terry

    jonathan dough:

    You're deluding yourself. And you won't be the one getting the last laugh.

    The earth is destined for fire and complete destruction which is made clear by 2 Peter 3:10,11: "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a mighty roar and the elements will be dissolved by fire and the earth and everything in it will be found out. ... everything is to be dissolved this way,"

    Well, this is the same old same old.

    You are free to believe this. But, what possible good has it ever done anybody?

    We are all going to die regardless.

    I, for one, think the obessesing over End Times is a form of perversity. It is deeply cynical and not far from misanthropy.

    Since I left Jehovah's Witnesses behind and every form of end times speculation I've become a nicer person. I volunteer with terminal patients at a Rehab Hospital twice a week and I've learned that each day is precious just because LIFE is.

  • Terry
    Terry

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    sebastious stated:

    To me the prophecy of the "love of the greater number cooling down" is quite profoud. Maybe it's not a prophecy, but an astonishing prediction of the distant future.

    I think the opposite is happening, sebastious!

    Of course we can be cynical if it means our favorite bible passage is coming true, but, why be cynical? Just be happy.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    I think the opposite is happening, sebastious!

    But, then, that raises the whole "Whenever it is they are saying 'Peace and security, then sudden destruction is to be upon them" thing, doesn't it, dear Terry (peace to you!).

    No need to respond - WAY to many inaccuracies in this thread for me to get involved past this. We'd probably end up with another "60+ pages and continuing" thing... and why?

    Peace!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • designs
    designs

    $100.00 says the earth will keep on long after we're gone. If all goes well I'll be around into my 90s, another 30 years at least, any of you Burned earth-christians want to take up the bet.

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Terry, the difference between people of the ancient times and today is that the people today are more accountable for their actions.

    How hard is it today to go against the grain, in any field? Hate for "apostasy" (or people going against the grain) is found in every nook and cranny in this world. What kind of human reactions does going against the grain get? People will tell you to stop getting into their comfort zone. They will go as far as to tell you to abandon your own personal mission because of their discomfort. No, Terry, people don't care about anyone but themselves, especially today. Selfishness is rampant and pain comes from selfishiness, lots of it and we have no shortage of pain and unjustice. That's a blatant fact and anyone who tries to argue it will need to get out their cookie cutters to explain their reasonings.

    -Sab

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