Islam and Muslim Countries additudes towards women.

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  • designs
    designs

    Saudia Arabia's all male Shura Council has enforced the ban on women driving stating that driving would encourage sex by allowing women greater freedom to mingle with men.

    Saudia Arabia has set 2015 as the date when women can Vote in municipal elections.

    The Quran makes statements about beating a wife, underage premenstral brides, and having multiple wives.

    Benazir Bhuto was assasinated in her country. Hilary Clinton is meeting with Aung San Suu Kyi in Myanmar (Burma).

    What are your views of Islamic ruled countries and the chances for Women's Civil Rights. Is it patronizing when the claim is made that the rules are for women's protection.

  • glenster
    glenster

    For the God concept to be credible, it has to be reconciled with the known
    facts of the world and create a choice whether or not to have faith in a possi-
    ble God beyond them. So I'd only consider an abolitionist stance on the subject
    credible for the NT. For the OT, as for ANE cosmology, etc., I'd use the liber-
    al "God only took them along so far" etc. stance.

    "Although outlawed in most countries, slavery is nonetheless practiced secret-
    ly in many parts of the world. Enslavement still takes place in the United
    States, Europe, and Latin America, as well as parts of Africa, the Middle East,
    and South Asia. There are an estimated 27 million victims of slavery worldwide.
    In Mauritania alone, estimates are that up to 600,000 men, women and children,
    or 20% of the population, are enslaved. Many of them are used as bonded labour."

    As of 2011, "there are more slaves today than at any point in history, remain-
    ing as high as 12 million to 27 million, even though slavery is now outlawed in
    all countries."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism#Contemporary_abolitionism
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery#Historical_slavery
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery#Present_day
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

    Islamic views on slavery
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery
    http://necrometrics.com/pre1700b.htm#ISlave
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery#Slavery_in_the_Middle_East
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa

    On one hand, Muhammad was known to like to set slaves free. On the other
    hand, according to the Qur'an, he not only ruled that slavery was acceptable but
    encouraged it by ruling that male slave owners could have sex with willing slave
    women (who might be more likely to relent to be set free or at least be treated
    more favorably):

    Sura 23:5-6: "[Most certainly true believers]...guard their private parts
    scrupulously, except with regard to their wives and those who are legally in
    their possession, for in that case they shall not be blameworthy." (Also Sura
    70:29-30) This is an early verse from Muhammad's life in Mecca: men can have
    sex with their wives or slave women.

    Sura 4:24, from Muhammad's later period of aggressive warfare, adds that the
    above holds true for women taken as prisoners of war: "And forbidden to you are
    wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands (as
    prisoners of war)." (Also see Suras 4:3 and 33:50.)
    http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/women_slaves.htm

    "Slave women were required mainly as concubines and menials. A Muslim slave-
    holder was entitled by law to the sexual enjoyment of his slave women. While
    free women might own male slaves, they had no such right. The purchase of female
    slaves for sex was lawful from the perspective of Islamic law, and this was the
    most common motive for the purchase of slaves throughout Islamic history."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

    That reminds me of...what it reminds you of. I've heard of TV preachers whose
    credibility was undermined when it was learned they'd bought sex, but they
    didn't buy the women. Did Muhammad have a tricked-out camel? Did it have hy-
    draulic humps?

    "The Arab slave trade was most active in West Asia, North Africa and East
    Africa. By the end of the 19th century, such activity had reached a low ebb. In
    the early 20th century (post World War I) slavery was gradually outlawed and
    suppressed in Muslim lands, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations
    such as Britain and France. However, slavery claiming the sanction of Islam is
    documented presently in the African republics of Chad, Mauritania, Niger, Mali
    and Sudan."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

  • sizemik
    sizemik

    designs . . . I posted this in a thread yesterday . . .

    It's obviously of limited interest as the thread was ignored. But this summary is anything but uninteresting.

    I agree with all this guy says . . . it's hard not too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fls3D80lg3A&feature=player_embedded

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    It's all about controlling that nookie. They do not like the idea of women having any power over their own genitals. They don't want a woman saying no and they don't want her saying yes--unless her husband wants her to say either. They fear the power women's genitals hold over male genitals, libido and the thoughts they generate in the male brain. And the lust they generate in the male brain. Anything that makes the men feel sexually excited really bothers the men. Those guys just do not like it they cannot control their own pee pees. So they make life a living hell for girls and for women. And hey, isn't it easier for men not to need to get along with women? If every problem can be solved by busting a wife in the mouth, throwing a young woman in jail, putting women to death, why the heck should these men ever think of changing things and actually having true adult interactions and relationships with women? Before Mohammed hit the middle east, culturally and in many ways they were fascinating. Now these Muslim countries are just scary.

    There is a beautiful older Syrian woman who stops by to see me at my job. She is worried now that because of the fighting all around Syria, the Muslims will take over and oppress women greatly. It's all sickening.

  • Bangalore
    Bangalore

    They need to move into the 21st century. The middle ages were over a long time ago.

    Bangalore

  • glenster
    glenster

    "Chad--IRIN (Integrated Regional Information Networks) of the UN Office for
    the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports children being sold to Arab
    herdsmen in Chad. As part of a new identity imposed on them the herdsmen
    '...change their name, forbid them to speak in their native dialect, ban them
    from conversing with people from their own ethnic group and make them adopt Is-
    lam as their religion.'"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa#Chad

    "Mauritania--A system exists now by which Arab Muslims--the bidanes—own black
    slaves, the haratines. An estimated 90,000 Mauritanians remain essentially en-
    slaved. The ruling bidanes (the name means literally white-skinned people) are
    descendants of the Sanhaja Berbers and Beni Hassan Arab tribes who emigrated to
    northwest Africa and present-day Western Sahara and Mauritania during the Middle
    Ages. According to some estimates, up to 600,000 Mauritanians, or 20% of the
    population, are still enslaved, many of them used as bonded labour. Slavery in
    Mauritania was criminalized in August 2007. Malouma Messoud, a former Muslim
    slave has explained her enslavement to a religious leader:

    "'We didn't learn this history in school; we simply grew up within this social
    hierarchy and lived it. Slaves believe that if they do not obey their masters,
    they will not go to paradise. They are raised in a social and religious system
    that everyday reinforces this idea.'

    "In Mauritania, despite slave ownership having been banned by law in 1981,
    hereditary slavery continues. Moreover, according to Amnesty International:

    "'Not only has the government denied the existence of slavery and failed to
    respond to cases brought to its attention, it has hampered the activities of or-
    ganisations which are working on the issue, including by refusing to grant them
    official recognition.'

    "Imam El Hassan Ould Benyamin of Tayarat in 1997 expressed his views about
    earlier proclamations ending slavery in his country as follows:

    "'[it] is contrary to the teachings of the fundamental text of Islamic law,
    the Quran ... [and] amounts to the expropriation from Muslims of their goods;
    goods that were acquired legally. The state, if it is Islamic, does not have the
    right to seize my house, my wife or my slave.'"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa#Mauritania
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Mauritania

    Niger--"While institutional slavery has been banned worldwide, there are nu-
    merous reports of female sex slaves in areas without an effective government
    control, such as Sudan, South Africa and Liberia, Sierra Leone, northern Uganda,
    Congo, Niger, and Mauritania."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa#Sex_Based_Trade

    "Mali--The Malian government denies that slavery exists, but some say slavery
    still continues as a reflection of the poverty in Mali."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa#Mali

    "Sudan--Sudan has seen a resurgence of slavery since 1983, associated with the
    Second Sudanese Civil War.

    "In the Sudan, Christian and animist captives in the civil war are often en-
    slaved, and female prisoners are often used sexually, with their Muslim captors
    claiming that Islamic law grants them permission. According to CBS news, slaves
    have been sold for $50 apiece. In 2001, CNN reported that the Bush administra-
    tion was under pressure from Congress, including conservative Christians con-
    cerned about religious oppression and slavery, to address issues involved in the
    Sudanese conflict. CNN has also quoted the U.S. State Department's allegations:
    'The [Sudanese] government's support of slavery and its continued military ac-
    tion which has resulted in numerous deaths are due in part to the victims' reli-
    gious beliefs.'

    "Jok Madut Jok, professor of History at Loyola Marymount University, states
    that the abduction of women and children of the south by north is slavery by any
    definition. The government of Sudan insists that the whole matter is no more
    than the traditional tribal feuding over resources.

    "It is estimated that as many as 200,000 people had been taken into slavery
    during the Second Sudanese Civil War."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Sudan
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa#Sudan

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    designs: I'm sending you a PM.

    om

  • designs
    designs

    Thanks OM, sent a reply.

    FlyingHigh- It is the Nookie Monster isn't it. The Vagina Monologues would have these guys running for the sand dunes. Sad religions from the Dark Ages.

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    Gulnaz was raped by a family member. she was charged with "adultery by force" and sent to jail. her 3 year sentence was increased to 12 after she appealed (it was brought forth that she took too long to report the rape [showing disregard for the law]). the president took pity on her after international media was alerted to the case and she might be pardoned if she agrees to marry her attacker. (no doubt he will receive a pardon as well if she agrees to marry him [he is already married to Gulnaz's cousin])

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=247871&R=R3

    xo

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    and here's a report on the "state" of afghan women's shelters.

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/savetheshelters/

    xo

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