Good Evening Shelby!..
I know your Education..You Qualify to take a Bar Exam..
Do you know for a "Fact" the others are Lawyers?..
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Your Thoughts, Please (Seriously)...
by AGuest 88 Replies latest jw friends
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AGuest
I thought I once read that Legal Advice was just a friendly opinion unless the person giving the advice was both a practicing attorney in the venue at question, and also (importantly) unless that attorney had received compensation and had agreed to represent the person given the advice.
Or something to that effect, yes, dear JW (peace to you!). What I find quite interesting is that at least one person here has openly stated they are an attorney... and opined (to a greater or lesser degree)... without disclaimer that they are not doing so AS a attorney. In some circles, this can actually raise the "attorney-client relationship" issue... because the person has openly identified themselves AS an attorney. For example:
"Comments are for general information and/or educational purposes only so as to give general understanding of the law, not to provide specific legal advice. By reading them, you understand that there is no attorney-client relationship between us. The information should not be used as a substitute for competent legal advice from a licensed, professional attorney in your state."
Such a statement should be posted by ANYONE here who HAS held themselves out as an attorney. Now, since I am NOT an attorney, do not hold myself OUT as an attorney or one that others should come to for legal advice, nor do I ask for, expect, or receive compensation, I am not required to post such a disclaimer... because I am NOT giving legal advice... or information that could be construed AS legal advice (because I AM an attorney)... but merely posting opinions and information based on my personal experience.
The laws regarding all of this (internet participation) have changed things somewhat. I went to school recently enough to know that... but I'm not sure everyone who SHOULD does. But what do I know?
Do you know for a "Fact" the others are Lawyers?..
I don't, dear OUTLAW (the greatest of love and peace to you, my dear friend!), but I don't doubt it, based on all of the legal "posturing", repeated posting of curriculum vitae, and incessent reminders of where one may have gone to school. I figure it's [very] important to the one posting that folks know this about them... for whatever reason (I can only surmise that they don't get the recognition about it they need elsewhere). I am more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. The difference is that I'm not hiding anything: myself, my name, where I live, what I do, etc. If the Bar wants to come after me, they will know who it is to come for. Others, though, want to be "out there" and known as attorneys... while hiding at the same time. Makes NO sense to ME (I mean, they're lawyers! What can anyone DO to them?)... but apparently works for them, for whatever reason (and I'm sure they're valid). I don't think they should get all "I'm a lawyer and only I can comment" with ME, though, if they don't even have the cahones to back up who they are (so that ones can know they are in fact an attorney).
Frankly, I don't care if they are or they aren't. I just find it quite curious that they're trying to handle their PERSONAL issues with by means of pretending there are legal ramifications. That they're not concerned with whether people are helped, or whether I've actually broken some law (which I haven't)... but moreso that I have the AUDACITY to even comment... although all manner of others comment. Just shows me that, as with everything else, the issue is "This is MY area/territory, not YOURS"... which is absolutely ridiculous, given the purpose of this forum.
Am I ticked? I have to admit that I am, a little. But only because of the underlying deceit. This isn't about who can/cannot/should/should not give advice. It's about a certain poster's PERSONAL issues with me... that they are trying to make into something else... while well knowing that most here did NOT go to law school and so might not know what's really what regarding these matters ("I'm an attorney, and I said, so..."). Because, as with many religious leaders, unschooled people tend to get all nervous and sweaty because there's a lawyer afoot. I've worked with them, trained them (in assisted/tax credit/subsidized/senior and fair housing laws and regulations), went to school with them... and sing in a band with them... and so they don't scare ME.
I sometimes wonder what would occur if I became an attorney: then what? Because I would not change what and how I post here. So the "you're not an attorney so you don't know" excuse... what happens to that? One doesn't have to be an attorney to know law. Christ wasn't... and he knew the Law better than every Pharisee out there. I know how to research... and read... law. So what? The only areas that I have any in-depth knowledge of is Landlord-Tenant and Fair Housing. Because I have spent close to 25 years WORKING in those areas. My goodness, what person here would work in a field for 25 years... and NOT know the laws?
Yes, there is a LOT "in" me on this matter... because I am tired of being "harassed" because someone feels they are the only one who "should" respond to certain threads. So they "know"... great! Then they should post THEIR position... and quit worrying about what anyone else posts. Again, I realize that it has nothing to do with what was posted: it was about ME posting it. Someone really needs to get a grip... and get over themselves.
Okay... down off my soapbox, now, dear one - LOLOLOL!
Thank you, dear, dear tec (the greatest of love and peace to you, my dear... and your entire household!).
So, I will abandon this idea and move on from the subject entirely. For now. Can't say what I might post if folks don't leave me be. I might be small in stature, but my spirit is quite big... and I don't always exercise the self-control I should. May my Lord continue to be with me, then, and guide me... as well as hold me back when I need him to.
Again, peace to you dear ones!
SA, on her own
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Found Sheep
Don't like the idea of a seperate page. Cuz then what a legal page, a medical page, a mental page, an abuse page.....
I think the way it is, makes it more casual and any advice is just that casual advice
but I do see your point
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Excluding me; I am NOT an attorney. . . . I might be small in stature, but my spirit is quite big... and I don't always exercise the self-control I should. May my Lord continue to be with me, then, and guide me... as well as hold me back when I need him to.
If you take legal advice from an individual who is not an an attorney, admits to having difficulty exercising self-control and who seeks guidance from imaginary beings, please don't complain about the outcome of your legal matter.
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AGuest
If you take legal advice from ANYONE who is not an attorney... you CAN'T complain about the outcome of your legal matter... unless such one held themselves out to BE an attorney (or communicated that there was some kind of fee/compensation involved). In which case, you can sue that person for any damages you sustained as a result. Heck, you can sue them even if they ARE an attorney... if you think they botched your case. It's called "malpractice."
Go to sleep, now, dear One. Peace to you...
SA, on her own...
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AGuest
Don't like the idea of a seperate page.
Me either (neither?), dear FS (peace to you, dear one!); I was just trying to be more... ummmm... "accommodating"?
Peace... and thank you for responding!
SA, on her own...
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OUTLAW
Good Morning ((Shelby!))..
Posturing has never impressed me..
Look how many people we get here claiming to be something their not..
I`m not saying the people who say they are Lawyers here are lying..
The fact is I don`t know..
The only Real Lawyer I know here is Kim,from Norris and Love..
She`s cool and she doesn`t have an attitude..
That being said..
I think you should continue to give your "Legal Opinion"..
I know you..I know your education..
I know your Qualified to take a Lawyers Bar Exam..
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Your somebody we can trust..
If some people don`t like that too bad..It`s of no concern to me..
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AGuest
Thank you... on behalf of myself... and everyone else who wants to freely comment without being threatened with some kind of untoward repurcussions to their professional lives, dear RexArt! Peace to you!
SA, on her own...
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Band on the Run
It is wrong to give legal advice without being a member of the state's bar. An Internet forum is not the way to find info. Wikipedia does not allow legal or medical questions up for even a few minutes. There is no way of knowing how complex the matter actually is. Also, I find this site interesting but if I am going to devote hours to research, I am going to get paid.
I've provided legal info, suggested way to contain costs, encouraged people.
This is not the ABA site. The ABA does not offer free legal advice. Poor people deserve the same duty of care as rich folk. If you had bothered to read the cases, you may have found qualifications. I did note that the other legal poster had pretty much the same objections that I did.
This has been discussed many times now. If I want to practice law, my fee is hefty. Casual info can steer people in possible directions but I am not bearing the burden.
It also seems to me that the thing that unites us all is that we are former JWs. Establishling classes of people within JW.net seems to defeat the purpose of its existence. I do not want to be the Jeffrey Toobin/Arthur Miller here. Never have I posted links, definitions, etc. b/c I don't want to give false help. Learning how to navigate the system is one thing. Advice is a very different thing. Even TX, must see that poor people deserve a standard of duty, not any patched together, off the head legal crap.
I feel safer with someone who doesn't know but can spot issues and research them if necessary than someone who shoots from the hip with certainty. JW.net members deserve the best legal services not a fly by night response. We deserve better than dinky.
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JRK
I may not be an attorney, but I do work pro boner.
JK
