Do YOU Believe That JWs Have A Huge Problem With Pedophiles?

by minimus 120 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • N.drew
    N.drew

    Calling each other "brother" and "sister" fosters trust.

    The philosophy of Jehovah's Witnesses that all good hearted people will come to the organization to be saved fosters trust.

    The order to marry only in the Lord causes miss matched unions. For example as Balaamssas says, a poor single mom with her kids (I know of a situation like that. The widowed sister remarried but her JW husband turned out to be a sex offender, something the brothers knew but did not disclose.) is easy prey for a pedophile.

    The secrecy around disfellowshipping keeps everyone else in the dark about who to beware of.

    The two witness rule discourages justice.

    And the fear that the offended persons will bring reproach on the organization if they seek righteousness causes the crime to go unpunished.

    These things support the crime and encourage the criminal.

    The numbers might not be more than the general population. But because of the unique circumstances of the organization it is more of a problem because essentially the religion helps to cause the crime.

  • GromitSK
    GromitSK

    I wonder if the problem is the phrasing of the original question minimus; I can see how paedophilia and abuse might well be a big problem, even with lower absolute numbers in the WTS. If we were to scale up the numbers to equate with say, the catholic church membership, then I suspect this relative number would be a fairer comparison. Even one abuser per three RC congregations or religious institutions would I think yield an enormous absolute number in relation to some of the larger religious organisations.

    The RC church came unstuck when it became no longer possible to contain the problem and its feeble efforts to address the abuse were exposed. I don't understand how the WTS seem still to be getting away with this. Their time will come I am sure, particularly if the information published by silent lambs attracts the support of a higher profile agency or one with sufficient power to make the authorities jump.

    It occurs to me that abuse of trust occurs most easily where it can remain undetected or if detected, is ignored. In that respect, WTS and similar cults seem especially susceptible to people like this because the have such control over their adherents. Particularly when the abuser is in a position of authority. That's how abusers in the churches got away with it for so long after all. This error seems to be compounded by the WTS rules about reporting abuse.

    I think I understand the point you were trying to make originally. It can be very difficult to persist with what seems to be a reasonable question in the face of something of an onslaught from others. I am glad you persisted. If there are questions that cannot be asked, I think that would be a sad development.

  • steve2
    steve2

    I understand where Minimus is coming from. I have not interpreted his starting this thread as mimimizing the topic but rather an honest endeavour to bring some perspective to a topic that stirs up deep convictions and even deeper divisions of opinion.

    For me, it's not about numbers, or methods of control or the JWs rigid impression management. It simply boils down to one incontrovertible conclusion. It is this:

    Given that JWs claim to be the unique possessors of "truth", I would expect them to possess a significantly higher ethical and moral view than other religions on how to address pedophilia in their ranks. That they are as dismally lax and defensive regarding pedophilia as are so many other religions shows JWs to be no more possessors of truth than any other religion. More is expected of any group that makes a blanket condemnation of all other religions and arrogant claims about its own unique religious status.

    Their fruit is as fly-blown rotten as the next religious organization's fruit. Shame on the JWs for prioritizing their "clean"reputation over children's safety.

  • crazyblondeb
  • crazyblondeb
  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Let's talk numbers.

    Research on sexual abuse offenders shows that most offenders abuse up to 75 children before they are caught by the police. It is a grave error to think that the 23,720 reported sexual offenders have only 1 victim each. The 23,720 is the number that was on the list of reported (to the WTS legal dept) was given to Bill Bowen (http://www.silentlambs.org/answers/23720.cfm) in 2002.

    Bowen makes the statement that the number of offenders that reported does not include cases where there wasn't enough evidence for the elders to say the abuse allegations are true. Those cases stay buried in the congregation records. They are not included in the 23, 720.

    Also not included are all the people who were reported to the elders who may eventually have been forwarded to the Legal dept because there was enough evidence and it doesn't include all those cases where there wasn't enough evidence.

    We can only guess at the real numbers of offenders and victims.

    Sexual offenders go hunting for their victims and they find them everywhere. The elders would only hear about problems within the congregation. If a JW in the course of his or her employment has the opportunity and access to children and is reported that will never wind up in the WT database.

    A true story;

    A man is married and has 3 daughters. He sexually abuses all of them. Then he runs off and meets a woman who he lives with. They have a daughter together. The man and woman get custody of the woman's younger sister (a baptized JW) because she was being sexually abused by her father who was a baptized JW. The woman also has a daughter from her previous marriage.

    The man who has already sexually abused his own daughters sees opportunity, He now has 2 pre-teen girls living in his home. Easy pickings. So he moves on to the two preteens and gets caught abusing the woman's sister. He is only studying with the JWs. He isn't even baptized. But the elders choose not to report the abuse. The younger sister is sent to live somewhere else and the man is kept in the home where he has access to the woman's daughter. And he gets caught. The woman walks in and sees him abusing her daughter. Again the elders decide that she should send the child away and keep him in the home. Remember this man isn't even a JW. They are just studying. But the abuse is covered up. Two kids out of the house but there is still a baby girl in there.

    And yes eventually he moves on to her. She is 5 yrs old. He knows he will get caught and disappears. Many years later the woman finds out he moved to the US where he marries a woman who has 3 daughters and together they become foster parents - and you guessed to - to more girls.

    If he had been reported to the police when he abused the younger sister, maybe many other children could have been safe from his continuous hunt for more victims.

    No matter how loudly they say they will never do it again they are lying. They will do it again. Given the opportunity they will abuse again. Even if opportunity isn't slapping them in the face they will hunt out more victims. They DO NOT CHANGE. They CANNOT STOP themselves.

    For those of you who haven't read this story I am the woman's daughter. My aunt committed suicide shortly after she was sent away. My younger sister tried to down out her memories with alcohol and drugs for 30 years before she committed suicide. I suffered for decades with severe depression to the point where I was planning my suicide.

    The WTS, my mother and the elders had an opportunity to stop him. They didn't do it. Who knows how many other lives he destroyed. As it is we know of 9 victims but we know there were others among those foster kids they took in.

    Reporting all instances of sexual abuse to the authorities should be mandatory. Actually it is mandatory but the WTS likes to claim clergy privilege (even though the claim to have no clergy calls). And they wrongly use this clergy privilege of confidentiality. Clergy privilege applies when the accused confesses to the religious leader. It does not apply when the victim and the victim's family go to the clergy and ask for help.

    What they need to do is help the victim report the abuse to the authorities, And they need to butt out and let the professionals do their jobs.

    Always remember that for every child that comes forward to report an abuser there are also many victims from the same abuser that never speak out.

  • Alfred
    Alfred

    Lady Lee... that's just terrible.... I'm really sorry to learn your story..... I must say, you're incredibly strong.

  • curiouscynic
    curiouscynic

    I wouldn't imagine that the rate of pedophilia among JWs is much higher than the general population [I think the incidence of general mental disease is higher in JWs so apply whatever factor necessary to accommodate a couple additional pervs].

    When I was a kid, a friend confessed to me that her dad was sexually abusing her. I told my parents and they took me to a trusted elder to recite my story. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. They took me to AN ELDER?!?!? WTF? The mindset that all wrongdoing is reported to elders first and THEY decide whether to alert the authorities impedes justice.

  • Bangalore
    Bangalore

    What about a problem with murderers?

    Bangalore

  • Heaven
    Heaven

    I understand that one is too many.

    There is a peophile in my parent's previous congregation in a really small town. That is way too many for me.

    Told my Dad "If there are pedophiles in the Organization then it cannot be God's Organization." He lowered his head at that point. I'm not sure if he was crying or not but I know it made an impact. Just one more conflicting piece of reality that f'ed up his mind.

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