LAWSUIT: The Strange Saga of Lorterdan Properties at Ramapo v. Watchtower of NY

by AndersonsInfo 34 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Ewwwwwww (peace to you, all!): Contracts and Land Use law... deep stuff (can be), both. No way for anyone (other than the court) to say who can/should/will prevail because it will be subject to interpretation. More importantly, there is also something called the "Parol Evidence Rule" (you'll have to look it up, sorry) that might have significant impact. So... who knows: courts aren't always right (hence, the appeals process)... or wrong. Someone will "win"... and someone will "lose." That's what court cases are about, unfortunately.

    Now, mediation... where "win-win" is the goal? 'Nuther thing altogether...

    Peace... and don't wrack your brains too hard over this dear ones as these kinds of cases can take years, even decades, to conclude...

    SA, on her own...

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  • Gayle
    Gayle

    "It's complicated!"

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    The money the WT spent on this land will have been chalked up as a necessary "expense" and tax deductible.

    Wasnt the noo A$$embly hall in that other thread going to cost $9 million? is this a mere coincidence?

    If not why are they asking for contributions for the noo hall?

    HB

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    sounds like the poor elderly sister in the hall with a few drachma's is going to have to beg for more on the street. This isn't fee ya know!?!

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    I've read a lot of RE contracts in my time. I will come back and read up on this when I have a few minutes. My first take (to echo Shelby) whenever one gets to this point any concept of "simplicity" has gone out the window. My first take is that this contract was designed to make lawyers rich.

  • skeeter1
    skeeter1

    The Consulting Agreement states "4. If within the 2-Year Period, Watchtower (a) determines that it will proceed with the development or (2)

    It does not say, "(a) determines that it will proceed with the development by notifying Loterdan". The trigger is "determines that it will proceed with development" The timing of the payment (i.e. the due date) is based on when it tells Loterdan. One could say that this is an ambiguos term, or that the normal interpretation is that once the WTS determined to proceed with development, it had X number of days to pay.

    The “ Repurchase Agreement ” covers the second $9,500,000 payment. It states in Section 2.9:

    “Watchtower covenants and agrees that if, within the 2-Year Period the Town of Ramapo rezones the Property pursuant to an application filed by Watchtower in furtherance of the Development, then Watchtower shall forthwith pay Lorterdan the Compensation as defined in the Consulting Agreement. This provision shall not prohibit Watchtower from filing and prosecuting applications for any approval required for the Development."

    The Watchtower seems to be begging the judge to not look at these tax applications and community agreements that are court ordered and under oath. (The parole evidence rule applies more to pre-contact negotiations to determine what the parties meant at the contract formation, if the contract is incomplete or ambiguous. It's not for post-conract actions....generally) Most importanty, do the bolded words (Watchtower's argument) give the Watchtower the right to lie under oath by filing for property tax exemptions and for this community benefit agreement (i.e. Watchtower telling under oath to these authorities that it was going to immenently develop the property?) I say no. Therefore, when the WTS filed its tax exemption applications and community association agreement (before a judge, no less), of course it was allowed to do so. But, the Repurchase Agreement didn't allow the WTS to lie! That would be a silly reading. Plus, it would be illegal to write a contract term that allowed one to lie in court or at the tax appraiser's office (wink, wink). That would be void contract/term due to illegality. When the WTS filled out its tax applications and community development, it "determined that it would proceed with development."

    I think we should get this in front of Judge Judy. Judge Skeeter thinks Loterdan has a better case.

    Skeeter

  • lrkr
    lrkr

    The most interesting thing about this is that almost half of the purchase price of the parcel is labeled a "consulting fee." Now...let me think...why would an organization call half of the purchase price "consulting."

    Seems to me that it would have the effect of lowering the accessed value. If there was ever a property tax issue WT could produce a sale agreement that showed a purchase price of 50% of actual value.

    Ramapo has an ongoing problem with religious groups taking property off the tax rolls (usually they are orthodox Jews). My guess is- WT smelled that the property tax issue might be a problem- hedged their bets with this contract and eventually dumped the deal over fear of taxation.

  • skeeter1
    skeeter1

    Barbara, did Ramapo give Watchtower an exemption for property taxes for 2009 & 2010?

  • AndersonsInfo
    AndersonsInfo

    Yes, skeeter1, from what I read, the WTS received the tax exemption for the first one or two years. To get the exemption, they had to tell the authorities that they were planning to soon start building on the property.

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