WHEN THE FECAL MATTER HITS THE FAN

by You Know 44 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  HenryP

  You Know,

  I understand your concern here, but you are judging your brothers too hard. They are looking after the worldwide organization and I don't see them softening their stance against the UN.

  Here are just two examples:

  *** w97 4/15 9 True Peace-From What Source? ***
  7 What about the United Nations? Has it provided any real hope of lasting peace earth wide? Hardly. Over 150 wars and armed conflicts have been fought since its inception in 1945! It is no wonder that Gwynne Dyer, a Canadian student of war and its origins, described the UN as “an association of poachers turned gamekeepers, not an assembly of saints,” and “a largely powerless talking-shop.”—Compare Jeremiah 6:14; 8:15.

  *** w97 5/1 16 No Peace for the False Messengers! ***
  12 The celebration of the 50th anniversary of the UN failed to reveal any real prospect of “peace on earth.” One reason was indicated by a writer in The Toronto Star of Canada, who wrote: “The U.N. is a toothless lion, which roars when confronted by human savagery, but has to wait for its members to pop in its dentures before it can bite.” Too often that bite has been too little too late. The messengers of peace in the present world system, and especially those in Christendom, have been echoing the words of Jeremiah 6:14: “They try to heal the breakdown of my people lightly, saying, ‘There is peace! There is peace!’ when there is no peace.”
  13 Successive secretaries-general of the UN have worked hard, and no doubt sincerely, to make the UN succeed. But the constant wrangling between the multipurposed 185 members about how to contain warfare, frame policy, and handle financing has stymied prospects of success. In his annual report for 1995, the then secretary-general wrote of the receding “spectre of global nuclear cataclysm” as opening the way for “nations to work together towards economic and social progress for the whole of humankind.” But he added: “Sadly, the record of world affairs over the past few years has largely belied those optimistic expectations.” Truly, the would-be messengers of peace are ‘weeping bitterly.’
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  You Know

  Joseph J

  Now, how can you say that and call us apostates?

  Easily, because you have apostatized from Jehovah.

  Go show this post to one of the elders in your congregation and see if they won't call you an apostate.

  If my elders were aware of the situation and were disturbed because of it then I certainly would. As it stands I doubt very seriously if they are aware of it yet. So I would never intentionally set a stumbling block before others. But, this forum is another story. People here have been exposed to quite a bit of negativity that the Watchtower has not really equipped the brothers to deal with directly. But, since every reader here is aware of the situation, I post for the benefit of the relative handful who want answers.

  If Jeho-bah rejected the churches of Christendom as you say, why would he not reject the WTS as well instead of refining it?

  Because as Jehovah says in the opening words of Malachi: "I have loved you people."

  / You Know
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  Celia

  "I have loved you people."

  What people? why would this be directed to a handful of 21st century christian fundamentalists ?
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  Masterji

  You Know,

  You said: "While the Watchtower’s inclination is to interpret all negative counsel and Jehovah’s denunciations as applying to Christendom, the fact is that Christendom could not possibly be in a covenant relationship with God."

  How true. "They were written for a warning to US"... not them.

  M
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  aChristian

  YK,

  You have to have some kind of JW death wish. You would certainly be disfellowshipped if the Society informed your local body of elders about the contents of this post. Your real name and address have been previously posted both on this forum and on the old H2O. Sooner or later some "apostate" who is tired of reading your ravings, or one of your "brothers" who is tired of seeing you criticize the organization they worship, is going to send a copy of some of your stuff to Brooklyn. You must know this. As I said, you've gotta have a death wish.
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  moman

  YK, where in the bible does it say MODERN DAY FULFILLMENT?
  There is none, it was made up by a crack-pot religious nut named Charles Taze Russell.
  Wake up man,all these dates, prophecies & interperations are nothing more than man-made doctrine changing like the wind blown waves of the sea, in a desperate attempt to keep the ignorant sheep from straying!

  DIE BORG DIE!
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  RedhorseWoman

  Henry, thanks for posting the excerpts from the fairly current articles the WTBTS has printed about the UN.

  The watered-down, namby-pamby "criticism" is a far cry from referring to the UN as the "scarlet-colored Wild Beast" being ridden by the "Harlot" of Christendom. Truly, they have gone from outright condemnation of the UN to slight disagreement with the effectiveness of its policies.

  This, IMO, proves that the WTBTS was snugly in bed with its supposed nemesis for all those years, and was hardly an innocent in the matter.
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  moman

  The WT is behaving much like the Catholic church did with the Nazis in ww2, admonishing them to the world & secretly making agreements.
  Oops, I forgot the WT did that back then also!

  DIE BORG DIE!
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  You Know

  Henry:

  They are looking after the worldwide organization and I don't see them softening their stance against the UN.

  On the surface those quotes you provided seem to speak for themselves, but when looked at more closely, such comments are in fact echoing subtle pro-UN propaganda. How so? By the Watchtower's quoting rhetoric such as: "The U.N. is a toothless lion, which roars when confronted by human savagery, but has to wait for its members to pop in its dentures before it can bite,"they are in fact contributing to the call to strengthen the power of the UN at the expense of the sovereignty of independent nations. They are making a compromising political statement whether they realize it or not.

  Patriotic groups cite this sort of propaganda as an insidious means of undermining the authority of the nation-state. By the way, that in fact is what NGOs are enlisted by the UN to do. The pro-globalists argument for more world government is that the UN doesn't have enough authority, so that's why writers such as those of the Toronto Star write pieces like that. However, the alternative to the UN's being a "toothless tiger" is that it will become a terrible-fanged and devouring vicious wild beast. Incidently, but not coincidently, when Nebuchadnezzar served as Jehovah's executioner he was described in scripture as a ferocious lion. Which, ominously, is the way the scriptures ultimately depict the 8th king.

  Here's a patriotic groups view of the UN:
  > http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/02-25-2002/vo18no04_design.htm

  / You Know
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  You Know

  You have to have some kind of JW death wish. You would certainly be disfellowshipped if the Society informed your local body of elders about the contents of this post.

  They couldn't do that without also opening up the whole NGO issue though. I don't think they would want to do that. / You Know