WHEN THE FECAL MATTER HITS THE FAN

by You Know 44 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  gumby

  Quote from YouKnow; There is simply no way that Christendom’s hundreds of diverse sects could make up any sort of unified spiritual nation.

  Let me ask you.....why are the Witnesess unified ? Could it be because all of what they believe comes from a single source that all are REQUIRED to believe? Well I guess the mormons could be "spititual Israel" also....their UNIFIED.

  So you think the dubs are UNIFIED. OK....Take 100 average dubs and question each one privately. They are not allowed to look in any literature for answers.

  Then ask them a series of questions relating to organization policies, bible questions, etc.
  Then...examine all the answers from this survey and see how UNIFIED they are.

  The point here.....the only reason they are unified is...they all get their answer from the same source and must believe what that source say's. That source is made up of men.

  You Know....for a bright person as yourself.....I wonder how you can believe what you claim to believe....
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  gumby

  So I take it this thread is over already
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  Abaddon

  Okay, so if You Know is the fecal matter, who is the fan and, and why is he hitting it? And will the fan strike back? Who is symbolised by the fecal matter? Who is symbolised by the fan? Who are their antitypes, or, if they are the antitypes, who were the prototypes?

  Does ANYONE care?

  People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...
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  gumby

  Abaddon........your getting to deep for us.
  I think the fecal represents poo poo and the fan means blowing air and we just don't know who flung the dung.
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  bjc2012

  You Know,

  I agree with you.

  You have to love Jehovah’s directness. I do anyway. He sure doesn’t mince words when it comes to clearing his name of the reproach his servants bring on him.

  His words at Zechariah 13:8, 9 leave no doubt as to his feeling toward His wayward people since you've finally admitted that the Bible applies to JWs and not to Christendom.

  "And it must occur in all the land," is the utterance of Jehovah, "that two parts in it are what will be cut off and expire; and as for the third part, it will be left remaining in it. And I shall certainly bring the third part through the fire; and I shall actually refine them as in the refining of silver, and examine them as in the examining of gold. It, for its part, will call upon my name, and I, for my part, will answer it. I will say, 'It is my people,' and it, in its turn, will say, 'Jehovah is my God.'"

  Let's see: two-thirds will be cut off and expire. By my count, according to current numbers, that's four million JWs with only two million left to be taken through the fire. IS this what you mean when you say that Jehovah takes action against his own people when they bring reproach on his name?

  It would seem that it is only one third of this people that Jehovah deems to have any merit at all as these are the ones that He takes through the fire and that afterwards He says He will call 'His People' and they will then acceptably call Him 'their God.'

  What say ye?

  bjc
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  Larsguy

  [Q]
  "And it must occur in all the land," is the utterance of Jehovah, "that two parts in it are what will be cut off and expire; and as for the third part, it will be left remaining in it. And I shall certainly bring the third part through the fire; and I shall actually refine them as in the refining of silver, and examine them as in the examining of gold. It, for its part, will call upon my name, and I, for my part, will answer it. I will say, 'It is my people,' and it, in its turn, will say, 'Jehovah is my God.'"
  [/Q]

  This is a good scripture and interesting!!! It may, indeed refer to the witnesses percentage rejected. But there is a "fleshly" Israel reference here also and that occurred during the HOLOCAUST. 2/3rds of the Jews died during the Holocaust and 1/3 was preserved to remain a nation, shorly after the Holocaust which was the "great tribulation" they returning to their land in 1947.

  Thanks for that point. Many things in scripture had double fulfillment for spiritual Israel (JWs) and fleshly Israel.

  L.G.
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  Jr

  Hi You Know:

  The following are quotes from "MDS" posted back in
  October 2001.

  Quote # 1

  "The Bible makes a number of serious "predictions"
  about the future of mystery "Israel," ... whom I
  propose to be Jehovah's Witnesses of our
  time. (I realize that many will object to such an assumption...smile). However, in this treatise, it will be explained, exactly why this is so and why Jehovah's Witnesses are to be understood as mystery "Israel" of Bible prophecy.

  "Still, I propose Bible prophecy speaks about God's
  dealings with them, now and in the future. For example
  it speaks of the coming fate of "Israel," how they
  fare, in the future days ahead, because of being led
  by wicked men, spiritual "rebels" against God...those
  who will (in the days ahead) succumb to "smooth words"
  of "apostasy" against God. -- Daniel 8:23 NIV; Daniel
  11:32 NWT

  Quote # 2

  "Mystery "Israel," The Answer: Jehovah's Witnesses are
  mystery "Israel," because primarily, they carry God's
  Name upon themselves, as a spiritual nation or people.
  Thus they have been permitted to enter a "Covenant" Relationship with Him, because of this. This could only have happened, unless God allowed it.

  Quote # 3

  "At present, because of bad leadership, the spiritual
  nation is "acting wickedly against that Covenant."
  (Let it be noted, there are other practices and
  teachings of the nation of Jehovah's Witnesses which
  also help us to identify them as mystery "Israel" of
  our day that are NOT mentioned in this treatise.) --
  Daniel 11:30

  quote # 4

  "...lovingly, Jehovah God has provided many, many
  clues to assist his people during this time of "Great Distress," through Bible Prophecy. This is something we will have to admit, when we see these events
  occur...Even those who scoff. -- Zechariah 12:7; Amos
  3:7; Jeremiah 30:7; 1 John 4:8; Acts 13:40, 41

  "Alas! For that day is a great one, so that there is
  no other like it [the "Great Tribulation" upon
  "Jacob"], and it is the time of distress for
  Jacob [or "Israel"]. But he will be saved even out of
  it." -- Jeremiah 30:7

  Quote # 5

  "Yes, mystery Israel "will be saved even out of it,"
  ... this "Great Tribulation" coming upon the spiritual
  nation, for their many acts of "sin" and
  "transgression" against God. The God of the "Holy
  Covenant" that they VIOLATE continually...

  Quote # 6

  "...Jehovah's Witnesses, became...the spiritual nation
  of "Israel" of Bible Prophecy. A people who would have
  to endure severe discipline for open rebellion &
  disobedience to God...being chased off their land,
  their spiritual "inheritance." A people who would have
  to be changed spiritually, from a "land of Decoration"
  which falls off into "apostasy," to finally, a
  "Mountain of Decoration," a spiritually elavated
  plateau. A people who, after severe discipline from

  God, would be granted the privilege of "dwelling in
  the center [navel] of the earth." -- Daniel 8:13;
  11:32, 41, 45; Isaiah 30:26; Jeremiah 23:19, 20; Micah
  4:6,7; Ezekiel 37:23; 38:8-12

  [originally posted by MDS]

  So You Know, am I left to believe that you now,
  actually agree with MDS and the "Report" people, and
  agree with what they teach in the 6 points he
  mentioned above?

  If you are in agreement, then you must remember
  this particular viewpoint does not originate with you,
  but has been widely publicized. The above viewpoint
  has been held by the "TWMC/Report" movement for well
  over a decade now, with the book, "The Report"
  copyrighted in 1994, and printed-published and
  currently on the bookstands since 1995.

  So, have you now just recently come around to
  understand that Jehovah's Witnesses are in a Covenant Relationship with God, the people "leaving the holy covenant" and have thus, violated it? (Daniel 11:30) And have you come around to admitting that all of the hebrew prophecies of wickedness and "whoredom" of Jerusalem, is actually to be properly applied to JWs instead of Christendom? (Jer. 3:9) Also, have you now come to realize the "weight" of the sin of the UN/GB Fiasco and Daniel 8:13?

  If you have, you are making real spiritual "progress",
  as a bonifide "apostate" WITHIN Jehovah's
  Organization.

  But here is the real question: Finally, if all of the
  above is true, then how do you explain how "us" filthy apostate-accusers have miraculously come into "possession" of this wondrous knowledge of God, BEFORE you sir, O Anointed One?

  How do you explain that?

  Here is the link where these comments were made:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum//thread.asp?id=11937

  Jr.
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  hawkaw

  You know,

  I'm still waiting!!!!

  Note my above post.

  hawk
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  ofcmad

  YK--quote:
  

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  You have to have some kind of JW death wish. You would certainly be disfellowshipped if the Society informed your local body of elders about the contents of this post.
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  They couldn't do that without also opening up the whole NGO issue though. I don't think they would want to do that. / You Know

  Hmmm.. have you really been following and reading posts on this board? Do you know how many people they have hung from the rafters? All they would do is declare you an "apostate" and the rank and file JW's would see you as such. Although Ray Franz has done alot to help JW's and ex-jw's alike, with all the publicity he has, the organization has not crumbled. 6 million + still believe. What makes you think that they would care about you?

  ofcmad
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  aChristian

  I don't think YK is saying the WTS cares about him. I think he believes they would never DF someone for pointing out their hypocritical stand on the UN. For maybe he thinks that the WTS would be afraid that the person who was then DFed might talk to the press about why they were DFed and then end up drawing much public attention to the UN NGO thing. Something the WT would prefer not to happen.

  The problem for YK is that the WTS has DFed good people for disagreeing with them on far less important matters. The fact that they would allow someone to get away with a "greater sin" simply to avoid looking like the hypocrites YK now recognizes them to be, should cause him to realize that the WT Society is not now and never has been anything more than a bunch of con men. Why he so desperately clings to his fantasy that they have ever been anything else, I'm not sure. Probably for the same reasons as most JWs who learn the truth about "the truth" I would guess. He does not want to lose his family, his friends, his glorious position in the congregation, or he believes one of the Society's biggest lies, that all who leave them behind are doomed to live a life away from God and Christ.