by Terry 37 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Rather amazing that they let this raving lunatic nearly shipwreck them in 1975 and still kept this doctrine of murder that he dreamed up - and they STILL made him president. (after creating the GB to keep him under control)
That's exactly the question (I probably buried the lead!) DID THEY MAKE A BACKROOM DEAL to keep Freddy quiet about ripping the plenary power away from Knorr??
That's exactly the question (I probably buried the lead!) DID THEY MAKE A BACKROOM DEAL to keep Freddy quiet about ripping the plenary power away from Knorr??
I don't think anybody outside the GB of the day really knows, but the Dunlap brothers had this theory: (and I agree with it) -
The formation of the GB was not really to rip power away from Knorr. It was to prevent Franz from ever gaining the ultimate power Knorr had. Knorr was never considered much of a religionist - that was Freddy. Knorr was a businessman who knew how to print stuff at low cost - even if he had to run Bethel like an 1840s slave plantation. He pretty much let the writers do what they wanted. Franz was off in Franz-land much of the time dreaming up his wild chronology. Everybody was afraid of what Franz might do if he were unchecked in power as president - he was considered even then to be somewhat senile, if not totally demented.
Ed Dunlap believed that a number of influential Bethelites knew there was something seriously wrong with all the chronology - yes, 607 - 1914 - 1975 - all of it - prior to 1975. They staged a little internal battle to de-emphasize the 1975 date. Freddy, of course, was dead set on his date: note that he even made up that nonsense about "we don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the garden before they sinned, but it could not have been long, or else they would have had kids" to extend the date just a little more after 1975. This is why so much of the speculation over 1975 was done by enthusiast talks at assemblies, but little was put in print.
The backroom deal (it is theorized) was that Freddy was made president after all - but as a paper tiger. Remember the Watchtower where they published the pictures of "the four presidents of the society"? Marion Dunlap thought this was a specific ploy to play to Freddies ego.
When Freddy realized that he could be outvoted, he started his outcry that the governing body was not scriptural and kept on whining about them as long as he lived.
Hmmmm...
It is difficult to imagine any scenario worse that what actually was wrought by Fred Franz.
Care to speculate?
Hmmmm...
It is difficult to imagine any scenario worse that what actually was wrought by Fred Franz.
Care to speculate?
How about if there had never been a governing body and Freddy was allowed to rule unchecked? Remember, according to Ray Franz book, there was a sort of progressive wing in the GB before the apostacy scare. They even voted as a majority to straighten out the Malawi card/Mexican draft card issue - but just could not make the needed 2/3. Of course, after the apostacy panic the hardliners took over and still are controlling things.
Repost to add - maybe the above would not have been that much worse than what actually happened.
The Freddy damage was already done really by the middle to end of the 1960s - and the original GB failed to correct it.
Russell was from the 13 bloodlines that rule the earth. Do some reaserch of 13 bloodlines. Of course they will consider themselves as Elites or governing body,,,, just like the other factions from the bloodlines mentione afew,,Rockafellers, Rothschilds,Dupont. A very interconnected group of elites that are very powerful at mind control,,, and ofcourse the JW's wins the prize.
Franz himself hated the governing body and continually complained that it was unscriptural - famously with his little group of hot-tub boys
What does THAT mean?
What does THAT mean?
The hot tub boys?
I was told by Ed Dunlap that Freddy Franz had this little group of half a dozen or so bethel boys in a little private "bible study class". They would get into the spa and discuss things one evening a week or so.
It was considered high bethel culture to not interfere with them or go in the spa when they were in session. This was where a lot of the feedback about Franz complaining about various decisions in the governing body came from. Some of the boys thought he was nuts, but enjoyed the status of being part of that group. They would leak things that were said to outsiders. There were even a few complaints that some thought this looked a little bit homosexual, but to real basis for that was ever made (to Ed's knowledge).
Perhaps somebody here who was at bethel during the time can verify if I am remembering and recounting this correctly.
Someday some disaffected person who knows where ALL the bodies are buried who is unimpeachable will step forward and spill the beans.
All the pieces will fall together.
It only has to be documented in a non-boring, entertaining and READable fashion and the walls come tumblin' down!
Someday some disaffected person who knows where ALL the bodies are buried who is unimpeachable will step forward and spill the beans.
All the pieces will fall together.
I hope so - but a lot of the insiders of the 1975 era are dying off now. Ed, Marion, Ray Franz, all passed away...
Marion and I really wanted Ed to write a book about it, but he was really too modest. He was already said to be "starting his own religion" back at Bethel and did not want to add any fuel to that phony fire.
Of course, probably there are nearly equal new scandals to be told by the overlapping generation.
