They found me! JWS called at long last

by Aussie Oz 27 Replies latest jw friends

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    Hot day working in the shed when one middle aged and two older ladies pull up outside... Out two hop and of course it was obvious...i said,

    ''ah, your the Millerites!''...blank looks,

    ''no were not, were the ''...

    ''The followers of the belief system laid out by William Miller''.

    They had no idea of Miller so i laid out the links from miller, barbour and russell and how for russell the split from barbour was not over any of the 'second adventist maths or whatever but over the ransom. Essentially you are the same as the millerites and any that have grown in his shadow.

    Led to talking about the Governing body and how they are followers of a composite man, that they cannot go against. denials of course so i challenged them to tell me what would happen if they walked around the KH saying you didnt believe in the GB or the organization. Showed me a scripture that she hoped showed the organization and it wasn't there... i said, your words are modern words not biblical. They said they would 'be removed'. exactly i said, not for doubting God or jesus but for questioning your LEADERS.

    I steered it to the NGO scandle which they again had blank faces about. they did not believe me at all. One took the details of what i said saying she 'would ask the writers' (whatever that means) i said what you need to do is research the internet and be prepared to go places you dont want to go. As for the internet she said they were allowed to use the internet but had to be careful...lies etc. I said yes BUT...what if that sight has a truth? Russell him self said that a truth from satan is a truth none the less.

    I said and they agreed that if it was true, then according to their own religion, the WT should not have even been outside the building. I also told them the two stock answers to expect and that with a visit or two to the UN website and a couple of others etc you will find the truth.

    the older lady said she will go look inthe WT, to which i said you wont find the real answer in the WT, and if you do find something it will be in doublespeak, making it sound like what they did, they didn't do, she insited it will be in the WT, again i said, perhaps, but not the truth...

    Have you heard of George orwell i asked? one had read animal farm so i suggested reading big brother...

    I had expressed that my knowledge of them was because i have family involved that frankly i wish were not and that was enough reason for me to do research on them. They asked if i was happy because i seem to be searching... i said, i am very happy, i know the meaning of life, things have never been better! beleive me, i am not searching.

    Oz who hopes he did ok for the first time ever!

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    Sounds good to me Oz,maybe a seed will take root,you just never know

    smiddy

  • cofty
    cofty

    You did great. I wish I could do that but they never come near my place.

    They asked if i was happy because i seem to be searching

    hahaha that old chestnut!

  • Think About It
    Think About It

    I thought you did great. They might actually look that up about the WTS and it's UN NGO affiliation.

    Think About It

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    I do think the one taking the lead will at least go find answers to what i said about the UN. They were taken aback and had never heard such a thing.

    I do wish i had had the presence of mind to bring up the WWC case...at my rate of visits it'll have to wait 18 months!

    I also deliberatly used a number of non jwtalk terms as i didn't want them to catch up that i was exjw.

    theocratic warfare cuts both ways baby!

    Oz

  • ScenicViewer
    ScenicViewer

    I hope they really do embrace the internet, and pay attention to the documented information they will find regarding the UN/NGO scandal.

    Very nice job of planting seeds Oz!

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    My expalnation to the ladies was that regarding the Un, they will find websites talking about how 'bad' it is and also a lone wolf Jw website with counter arguments, mainly that 1. it was library use, and 2. they were unaware the rules had changed, so left when the newspaper kindly alerted them.

    Then i said go to the UN website or google and download the application forms from the un itself and look for the older ones from the 1997 era and you will see that it was impossible they were unaware they were expected to support the UN.

    Then remamber that according to your own books they should not have been on the footpath of the UN no matter what. (to which they both nodded was right)

    I reinforced that not be thrown off the main problem by propaganda doublespeak.

    Oz

    and thanks for the comments... i was pretty nervous! I had never in all my years had suv=ch a talk with them, always just said iwas DF and sent them on the way.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    I bet they don't get too many HHs like that .... LOL

    Nice job, Oz

    Cheers

    Chris

  • steve2
    steve2

    You did so well. I'm amazed how strongly and clearly you spoke. It's amazing they did not become suspicious - but, as you said to them, you had some relatives who were JWs; I equally amazed they didn't ask who they were! Your exchange with them illustrates how apallingly ignorant most JWs are about key issues such as the influence of Miller on Russell's teachings and the UN scandal. The key to survival in the organization is ignorance.

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    If they had asked who the relatives were i wouldn't have told them.

    and me in my beater, psychobilly hair cut and tats sure wouldn't have looked like an ex jw thats for sure!

    Oz

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