''I love the organization'' (page 2)

DesirousOfChange

I think many who are successfully recruited into the bOrg come from very disfuctional family backgrounds. In their family of origin they never experienced "love". Perhaps absentee parents, parents who were too distant or reserved such as no hugs, no display of affection/love. Suddenly they are "love bombed" and experience something that they have missed all of their lives. I know some here say the love boming ends as soon as someone comes up out of the water, but I do not think that is necessarily true. If the new recruit fits into some "clique" then they have found their home, their "spiritual family", their LOVE (which they cannot realize is very conditional on the bOrg saying that they qualify for the continued LOVE).

As long as the bOrg directs the Cong to LOVE them (their brother), the will continue to do so to varying degrees. Those who "fit" get more love, those who don't fit into any clique, who are just ODD (there are folks like that, but they were odd in their previous life too) and the odd ones do kinda fall thru the cracks, but then it's still better than anything they ever experienced prior. So there is LOVE. BUT, once they fall out of favor for anything, either with the bOrg or even with the Rulers of the Clique, the LOVE is turned down, or OFF. If they end up "bad association" or "marked" or Publicly Reproved or Heaven Forbid DFd, then the bOrg directs the Cong to limit the LOVE or to even CEASE THE LOVE. But until that happens, if the continue to "progress" -- reg at meetings, reg in service, do the 30 hour Aux Pion campaign, walk the mics if a brother, etc etc then there will always be that LOVE. Yes, after never feeling loved in their life, they now LOVE THE ORGANIZATION.

Does Ms. Punk fit the pic?

DOC

Ding

Is her whole identity and sense of significance wrapped up in the organization?

That might explain it.

leavingwt

punk: May I assume that you've read Hassan's first book? If so, he explains what's going on in her head.

Remember: For many, Religion is not like pair of glasses through which one sees the world. Rather, it is their very EYES themselves.

punkofnice

Just Ron – Interesting. Sounds like the ‘walking dead’ virus.

NC – This makes perfect sense when I couple it with……..

DoC – Wow! Gordon Bennet, lawd luv a duck!! It seems like you met her and know her folks. She is indeed from a background that you describe. This is perhaps why she’s been in uber-dub mode since I left……….to remain ‘loved’™ by the bOrg.

Knowsnothing – Yes. I can picture Pter Cushing now at the end of the BBC’s version staring into space with that same glazed look Mrs Punk has saying with a smile: ‘I love Big Brother!’

Ding – Indeed. She might be so entwined in the whole sham she can’t see where her feelings start and theirs end.

LWT – I’ve read part of CCMC but never progressed beyond chapter 4. That’s me all over. I’ve not got beyond chapter 2 in ‘God Delusion’. I just wish I could finish what I start with books!

breakfast of champions

Hmmm. . . Hard to relate to that one. I can't say my wife or I ever "loved" the org, but we lived in a Bethel cong so the "organization" takes on a whole new meaning. . .

I think where my wife is at is kind of a Pascal's Wager-y/Don't-rock-the-boat place. She sees and has seen all the bullshit, but doesn't think she can do better and certainly would not want to lose family or " the hope"

punkofnice

BoC -

She sees and has seen all the bullshit, but doesn't think she can do better and certainly would not want to lose family or " the hope"

I see a similarity here. Mrs Punk has seen all the BS but decides to blank it out.

leavingwt

I’ve read part of CCMC but never progressed beyond chapter 4.

Well, if you still have it, you might review the Table of Contents and see if anything grabs your attention. There are some really helpful points about how people who are victims of Thought Reform think and act. I was personally able to understand JWs a lot better, after reading this book. (I was able to understand why/how I operated, while still in, for 23 years, too.)

WTWizard

I thought I did love the organization when I first joined. Soon in, however, they betrayed my faith, welshing on their side of the agreement (too bad, Jehovah, just existing cannot be your sole end of the deal if I have to give up much to you, Almighty Lowlife Scumbag), and the demands escalated. Once they started putting pressure on me to pious-sneer and tried keeping me out by dragging "that last call" well beyond quitting time, I lost any "love" for the Washtowel Slaveholdery.

And, once they started cutting any incidental benefits I may have been getting by remaining in the cancer, they only weakened whatever was left in my motivation to stay faithful. I become attached to anyone, that one was soon moved to another sector (book study) or congregation. Ultimately, my "sector" was all just plain men, and was going to stay that way. So, not only I had no motivation to waste my time going to boasting sessions, but I gained motivation to give them (Jehovah, too) slaps in the face. Getting a Ouija board instead of attending the REJECT Jesus Party was the first--if I am going to reject Jesus, I might as well do it right. Joining apostate discussion boards, putting up Christmas lights in the name of Satan, and taking a dark stand against Christianity in general (including the witlesses) followed. No love for the organization now--you welsh on your agreements with me, you claim that existing is your sole side of the agreement, you gets no love from me.

ranmac

Hey Punk I can relate to your experience. Your wife is grasping at straws. She cant logically refute you so all she has to go on is emotion. Blind intensified emotion. Im lucky my wife is still great to me but she definitely has an emotional attachment to the borg. As a result she cant engage me in debate about these issues but still sticks to her beliefs. Love, fear and other feelings should be trumped by obvious and glaring facts. Unfortunately thats not the case with cult members

ranmac

Hey Punk I can relate to your experience. Your wife is grasping at straws. She cant logically refute you so all she has to go on is emotion. Blind intensified emotion. Im lucky my wife is still great to me but she definitely has an emotional attachment to the borg. As a result she cant engage me in debate about these issues but still sticks to her beliefs. Love, fear and other feelings should be trumped by obvious and glaring facts. Unfortunately thats not the case with cult members

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