Breaking the law under the guise of religion / getting away with slavery (page 3)

snowbird

a JW can always simply decide to not be a JW. A slave would be killed.

I beg, respectfully, to differ.

You cannot simlply walk away from the JW's without repercussions.

You will be the subject of gossip, you will be slandered, or worse, shunned - even by family members.

I am a Black woman from the Deep South, and I've always noticed the similarity of the WT organization to the post-slavery system of sharecropping, wherein a tenant farmer never did enough to pay off his debts. It was always something that kept this from happening.

The same with the JW's. Does this sound familiar, "Brothers, can we (the poor rank and file) do more" ???

Sulla

I'm sorry snowbird; you are telling us the Elders have hunted you down with dogs? They sold your child for cash?

This comparison is absurd. Worse, it is offensive. Sorry, but it is.

mrsjones5

"mrsjones, I think such a comparison, when taken seriously, distorts both the experience of slavery in the US and the experience of JWs. In the process, it does great violence to the crucial distinction: a JW can always simply decide to not be a JW. A slave would be killed. But, if I haven't given you reason to question your viewpoint, then your viewpoint cannot be changed. That doesn't make it less odious."

It's all opinion whether you like it or not. It's a valid comparasion. As you might have guessed neither I or Was care whether you think the comparasion is odious (a fine word to use and quite telling! I think I'll use it) or not. It is a comparasion and it is being used to hightlight the restrictive odious nature of the society. And yes in extreme cases leaving the organization can mean losing one's own life. Shunning may be less bloody than a whipping or a lynching but psychologically it can be just as damaging especially if all a person has, meaning family and friends, are inside the org.

snowbird

I'm sorry snowbird; you are telling us the Elders have hunted you down with dogs? They sold your child for cash?

This comparison is absurd. Worse, it is offensive. Sorry, but it is.

The elders haven't hunted me down, no. They don't have to; they know how to reach me - I haven't changed my address or phone number.

Yet, there are others who have been hounded mercilessly. Take some time and read the experiences on here.

It is a comparasion and it is being used to hightlight the restrictive odious nature of the society. And yes in extreme cases leaving the organization can mean losing one's own life. Shunning may be less bloody than a whipping or a lynching but psychologically it can be just as damaging especially if all a person has, meaning family and friends, are inside the org.

Josie/Mrs. Jones nailed it perfectly. The WT organization is only interested in furthering its own ends.

It has yet to be revealed what those ends are, but I can testify that it's nothing to do with Jesus of Nazareth.

tec

I think it is a good comparison. Obviously it is not THE same. One enslaves your body (to the point of perhaps enslaving your mind). The other enslaves your mind (to the point of enslaving your body)

In both cases, the chains are still there. Most cannot leave without severe repercussions.

Christ and Paul both used slavery as a comparison... to that which has mastered you, whatever that might be.

Peace,

tammy

wasblind

Sully

If you or anyone else find this comparision offensive, that only proves that I've done, what I set out to do

As the old sayin' go, " you can't wake a sleepin' man by singin' a lullabye"

The 1st Admendment gives us the right to change religions without repercussions

And yes, the 13th Admendment may have outlawed the involuntary servitude of slavery

But the WTS is just like satan , it keeps transforming itself into an angel of light

And it has transformed slavery into a religion

JW who leave of their own freewill do suffer repercussions

those who leave are hunted down by the Elders ( WT hound dogs )

Members are slaughtered by the Blood policy and suicide

The funny thing is You remind me so much of the slaves that returned to their master

even after they were freed, only to endure the same attrocites, this time wit freewill

Under the Guise of somethin' different, for JW's it's Religion

mrsjones5

I'm still trying to figure why Sulla thinks the comparasion is offensive. In what way and for whom?

wasblind

She think I'll ask for reparations Josie, I don't blame folk for what their fore fathers did in the past

the point of this thread is to show the true nature of this cult

No one wants to consider themselves connected to somethin' so vile

but they are, only in a different form

The one thing this topic can do is , wake folk up , the outcome is up to them

1) they can stay awake

2) or fall back into a comma from shock, to avoid what they have been a part of

Folks are foolish to think just becuase somethin' is made illegal, that others

will not try and find a way around that particular law

wanna break a law ??? If you can prove it's part of a religion, your scott free

JW's are not put in Jail for negligence on blood, the state just take away

their right temporarily, If it won't for religion they would be in jail for neglect

and abuse

If all the Black folk woke up and got out

it would put a big dent here in the states

It's a shame how we allowed ourselves to be enslaved once again

Sulla

mrsjones, you are welcome for "odious," I am happy to offer up useful adjectives whenever possible.

I wouldn't have a problem with this sort of use if it seemed simply a metaphor: captives, slaves, hostages, etc. It seems to me that the OP pushes the comparison much too far, such that the vastly more destructive system of chattel slavery is actually placed on a level with JW-ism. Let me be honest, ok? This sort of thing is really disturbing: you said, " Shunning may be less bloody than a whipping or a lynching..."

I mean, shunning is "less bloody" in the sense that there is no blood at all. A lynching is the sort of thing that ought never be compared to anything the JWs do. Here is a lynching, several actually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching

I mean, fuck me. Look what they did! So yeah, JW-ism is bad and harmful and so on. And we can use somewhat over-wrought metaphors as we like. But let's not go too far.

wasblind

Just like the slaves, JW's have had the heart breakin' experience of bein'

separated by force from their loved ones

Just like the slaves, JW's are discouraged

Just like the slaves, JW's have suffered through physical and mental abuse by the WTS

And it all equates to the same thing

The degradation of a human bein'

Breaking the law under the guise of religion / getting away with slavery

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