sorry, that seems about 3 coincidences too many..
Help! Strange request for info I heard in a Recorded (gasp!) Talk.
by PaintedToeNail 23 Replies latest jw friends
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PaintedToeNail
iamwhoiam-thank you, I knew I wasn't hallucinating! But I still need to find out if and who she was.
NewChapter-Too funny-yes I guess they should be thanking her parents for sex. lol.
p oopsie & diamond-I will check out those links when I don't have family lurking about.
Thanks to all for the responses!!!
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freetosee
The only connection between the wt and coca cola I remember is that someone within the circle of the wt elite was married to a very rich coca cola family member. Not really sure how the story goes.
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Band on the Run
Israel was British Palestine in Russell's time, I believe?So Russell was a Zionist? It just sounds so bizarre but bizarre things happen. There are so many Jewish charities. If you want to influence religious leaders, start with the Pope, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Lutheran leaders in Germany, the Orthodox communion. I don't see any value for their money.
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PaintedToeNail
I'm bumping this thread. The info people have provided above has been very interesting...but, it seems that what I heard from this recording, which has disappeared from my home, seems to date from before the Rutherford era. I believe Russell was the one to make the Photo Drama of Creation and supposedly spent his fortune on it with the help of this alleged heiress whose home survive Sherman's March. Weird, yes...of course, at the time of my listening to this talk, I was duped into how Jah provided. (Stupid, stupid me!)
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diamondiiz
PTN: Is it possible that the speaker didn't know what he was talking about? After all, we're talking about wts with members who can't even recall 1975 fiasco correctly.
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PaintedToeNail
diamond-I sure they didn't know what they were talking about. But, unfortunately, it sounds so wonderful to those still 'in' and spouse keeps using this example as proof of God being with the 'org'. I just wish I could remember the blasted woman's name! What I found is that more places than what was indicated by this 'bro.' survived the march, but whole neighborhoods were wiped out by Sherman.
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jwfacts
My hubby is using this point to help prove god is with the org.
Sadly, your husband sounds totally deluded by the org. That is such illogical thinking, that only someone that wants to believe something could make such a connection. People that look for signs of intervention will always find them. However, what about all the other religions that have such remarkable occurrences? Or what about all the times God did not intervene and catastrophe occurred, such as JWs that die, halls that burn down etc. It is the same form of reason the Watchtower uses when it say growth indicates blessing. What then is indicated by other religions that grow faster?
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Leolaia
I believe it was an American bro., who claimed that a woman who owned a mansion in Atlanta, at the time of General Sherman's March to the Sea, and subsequent burning of Atlanta, had her mansion saved. This was divine direction because she later became involved, somehow as a relative, with the Coca-Cola company, received a ton of money from them, and helped finance the making of early 'Creation' film made by Russell.
This post gives you all the information you would ever want about the Heaths:
This is an interesting tale I hadn't heard before. The obvious person this story concerns is Susan Taylor of Atlanta, Georgia, who married William Pratt Heath, Sr. (chief chemist for Coca-Cola) in November 1900. She was a Bible Student and it is conceivable that she did contribute money to Russell. She also wrote a letter that was published in the Watchtower in 1925 (in the June 15th issue). Her son William Pratt Heath, Jr. became a close confident of Judge Rutherford, was appointed to the Board of Directors of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, and married Bonnie Boyd in January 1938.
However, Susan was not a native of Atlanta; she was born in Tennessee. As for the Heaths, they did not live in Atlanta proper during the Civil War but in Roswell (about 22 miles away); William Sr.'s grandfather was in fact the founder of Roswell. I think this might be the locale that the tale concerns, which was the home to a plantation with slave labor. According to Wikipedia, buildings like mansions were saved during Sherman's march but most of the properties were confiscated:
During the American Civil War, the city was captured by Union forces under the leadership of General Garrard. Under orders of General Sherman, General Garrard shipped the mill workers north to prevent them from returning to work if the mills were rebuilt. This was a common tactic of Sherman's plans of economic disruption of the South. The mill was burned, but the houses were left standing. The ruins of the mill and the 30-foot (9.1 m) dam that was built for power still remain. Most of the town's property was confiscated by Union forces. The leading families had left the town to go to safer places well before the Federal invasion, and arranged for their slaves to be taken away from advancing Federal troops, as was often the practice. Some slaves may have escaped to Union lines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell,_GeorgiaWilliam Sr. however was born in Roswell after the Civil War, so perhaps his parents did retain their property (possibly but not necessarily a mansion). It is possible that his mother, Katie Quintard Heath, became a Bible Student as well and is the person the story concerns, but I know of no evidence that she was. In fact, her father Nathaniel was a very prominent Presbyterian reverand (who officiated at the wedding of Theodore Roosevelt) and her young daughter Natalie was married in a Presbyterian church in 1903, so this seems unlikely.
Oh and Susan wasn't even alive when the Civil War happened. And William Jr. indicated during the Olin Moyle trial that she became a Bible Student around 1915 (Transcript, p. 1259), so it seems unlikely that she would have played a part in financing the Photodrama.