Message from Robert Redford on energy security

by DCs Ghost 33 Replies latest jw friends

  • Seeker
    Seeker
    Seeker
    i have been reading up on the electoral college that we have set up, inspired by the results of last years election, and i think it is the most antiquated, if not most useless system and sorry excuse for a democracy/ democratic state, IMO don't want to change the subject o this thread so i will cut it short, perhaps a new thread?

    Sure, set up a new thread and I'll comment in it. Just remember an important point in such a discussion, and the reason we have the electoral college in the first place: America is NOT a democracy. It is a republic, and the difference is significant in this subject.

  • Suzi
    Suzi

    Larf:

    At least I judge your ignorance based on your actions.. :)
    Question posed: What does an ignorant lil grrl like me know about the big bad world of electricity? Let's study this.

    First and foremost, let's start off with what I know of petroleum products. My father was a research chemist with Union Carbide, where they experimented with... Petroleum and Petroleum byproducts! He taught me at a young age just how NOT to handle all kinds of fun things, like styrofoam and gasoline when mixed (HIDEOUS chemical burn, in case you were wondering)

    So here's what I know about electricity: I grew up in a small town in Pennsylvania, where there was this funny invention called a dam. That dam had a HUGE pipe attached to it. That huge pipe carried the water from the dam when they opened it, and concentrated that released water through a series of turbines, which, when turned, generated... ELECTRICITY. It's amazing, I know. That town even provides the surrounding areas and New York City with the surplus electricity that it doesn't need.

    Sooo... I know that generating electricity is probably the best way to go, at least when generated with the power of falling water through a set of turbines. The only cost involved in that form of electrical creation is what it took to open the floodgates at the Wallenpaupack Dam.

    To apply that electricity to cars, plug some batteries into the generators and charge em up, stick em back in the electrical car, and you're on your way. Not the fastest form of travel, but it's clean.
    Apply this to electric trains, and you've got a very clean form of transit.

    As to Hydrogen studies.. My father knew about those before they were printed in your skippy magazines. There's a LOT the government is "experimenting" with that they don't release to the general public until roughly 30 years later, when it's already old news. The main reason Dad got out of the chemical field was due to ethics. He had this crazy idea that people should know the truth.
    Hydrogen is an exceedingly dangerous element to work with, since it can be fatal to play with, and its explosive nature. The trouble with hydrogen engines is how to harness it 100% safely, and have it be equally safe through an auto accident when the containment chamber might be punctured. You know what compressed gas does when its container gets punctured? The force alone can easily push someone through a cinderblock wall, not to mention the schrapnel from the metal tanks can travel at a bullet's velocity and with 10 times the damage. It's like buckshot, but bigger and in all directions. VERY messy.

    When I worked at Merck Pharmaceuticals, I was trained in manufacturing plant safety, and one of the most important things was to keep the compressed gas tanks out of the sunlight, since something as simple as a hot day could blow up the entire site. It's all part of the 100% safety factor. Not many people realize that those fun helium tanks at the store that they use to fill balloons have the potential to obliterate everyone in the surrounding area of the store just from a simple scrape on the side of the tank. You think the delivery guy thinks about it when he drags the cannisters along the metal lips on a truck bed? Not at $5.25/hr he doesn't.

    Compressed gas safety 101.

    As to the "fossil fuel" electrical generation processes, I've only seen ONE, countem, ONE coal burning plant in the state of Pennsylvania. I've been over most of the state, I've seen a nuclear plant, but just the one coal burning one. Last I heard they were trying to shut that one down, since its efficiency is nill compared to the alternatives.

    My whole point is that there are other ways. Better ways.
    NEVER assume I'm ignorant. Sometimes I'm just lazy and don't feel like typing ALL of my credentials every time I post. And honestly, Larf, I'm seriously getting tired of your pot calling my kettle black. Your posts are like the static on a good radio station.

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  • Scorpion
    Scorpion

    Seeker,

    I heard about the report you mentioned as far as the tally of votes. I am skeptical not only of that report but those in favor of Bush. Hopefully next election things will be more organized and there will be no room for error.

    To all who have posted in this thread,

    I am wondering what your opinion is of Ethanol Expansion and production. In my city, the city board of directors and council are trying to get an ok on a new Ethanol plant. This plant would help the dwindling crop sales of corn in our area and boost the corn production and price for farmers that has fallen drastically over the years. One problem the farmers have had with producing crops such as corn is the water rationing and the price of water goes up it seems every year.

    In your opinion, would Ethanol be a safe and inexpensive alternative for gas fuel, or is Ethanol nothing more than an additive for gasoline?

    I worked in the grain industry for 10 years. I have seen crop prices rise and fall with the times. If Ethanol turned out to be a viable alternative, this could not only help the environment, but also the grain industry in the US.

    Scorpion

  • DCs Ghost
    DCs Ghost

    Scorpion
    check out this site and do a google search on ethanol for more information, then make your own assesment, i don't know much on this subject but this may help you

    http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/ethanol/ethanol.html

    a quote from the site that i found interesting

    "Much ethanol not intended for drinking is now made synthetically, either from acetaldehyde made from acetylene, or from ethylene made from petroleum. Ethanol can be oxidized to form first acetaldehyde and then acetic acid. It can be dehydrated to form ether. Butadiene, used in making synthetic rubber, may be made from ethanol, as can chloroform and many other organic chemicals. Ethanol is used as an automotive fuel by itself and can be mixed with gasoline to form gasohol. Ethanol is miscible (mixable) in all proportions with water and with most organic solvents. It is useful as a solvent for many substances and in making perfumes, paints, lacquer, and explosives. Alcoholic solutions of nonvolatile substances are called tinctures; if the solute is volatile, the solution is called a spirit."

    granted that it may not answer your question. but the idea that a synthetic is derrived from petroleum seems wasteful IMO

    dc

    forgot the link

    "we do not see the world as it is,
    we see the world as we are. . ." Anais Nin

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