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by Kool Jo 62 Replies latest jw friends

  • laverite
    laverite

    Hi Kool Jo. Welcome!

    I was also born-in and was fortuante enough to go away to university. I wasn't supported by my family financially, emotionally or in any way whatsoever. It was a monumental struggle and I was literally alone in the world, with no family whatsoever. It was 1000000% worth it for my freedom from Watchtower slavery.

    When I realized the truth about "The Truth" I knew I couldn't be a captive of a high control religion which has so many cult-like attributes. This was before the internet and I knew of no other JW that took that route. I am so very thankful that I took the route that I did. It had its costs, but really, when you think about, it it was worth paying for by "giving up" the fake and conditional love that JW family, friends and organization give. In the end, I didn't see any of that a sacrifice at all because it was never real. It was just an illusion.

    I have, therefore, always been very much the black sheep in an ultra hard core uber JW family. Contact is virtually nonexistent. Since originally posting when I joined, some interesting developments have occurred. I have some family members, including a few cousins and both an aunt and uncle who have come to see the WTBTS for what it is. Except for the aunt and uncle, everyone came to their conclusions separately and they are not all from the same "nuclear" family either; my aunt and uncle came to their discoveries together.

    Being from a multigeneration JW HARD CORE family, this is all just so completely shocking that this could have even possibly occurred. Previously, I was the only black sheep, outcast, untouchable. Recently, the JW family members have told the members of our family that have faded that they are dead to them and that they do not care if they ever speak to them again for the rest of their lives (this, in a previously super tight knit family). ALL the JW family members know is that these members have stopped going to meetings. They know nothing of how the "faders" actually feel toward the Organization. There has been much hurt, and crying, especially impacting my aunt. But these "Free" family members have pulled together, and we've formed our own non-JW "branch" of the family with much support and love. They all agree that the love we received from the JW family was conditional upon meeting attendance and see that "love" for what it is.

    I never thought any other family member would come out of the Org. I have no idea what the actual numbers are but it SEEMS that more and more may be leaving and that this may, in fact, accelerate in the future. With the plentiful information about the real truth about the Watchtower now so easily accessible to virtually anyone. This, of course, is why the Org wants to keep a tight lid on information and control their members to the incredible extnet that they try to. Ultimately, I think this will be a losing battle. People born-in will increasingly leave, with fewer and fewer staying, fewer and fewer Bible studies per publisher will lead to Baptism. This will all lead to less money coming into the Org. The Org will contract while claiming it's a sign of the last day. Uber JWs will cling to everything the Org says, always expecting an Armageddon that is ever coming but never arriving. Those "faithful" JW numbers will shrink through natural mortality. This will all take some decades. And the Org will probably survive in a much leaner form for a very long time. Ultimately, if they adapt into a more mainstream religion their long-term survival will be more likely.

    Just a few things I've pondered this morning...not sure what you think of any of of this. But...anyway... WELCOME.

    LaVérité

  • ziddina
    ziddina
    "We use bowling balls to have harmless violent fun every day. ..." Sab

    Ah, Sab....

    You DO realize that we're going to be razzing you about your "bowling ball" explanation for why there's violence in the world....

    Don't you???

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    Kool Jo.... You. ask my concept of being born again I do believe SOME of what is written in Scripture
    Especially John 3.3...I do believe the Holy Spirit is the Teacher, My belief is Jesus Christ IS the Way, Truth, Life
    Or the Door if you like. One day I asked Jesus into my life.into my heart, to forgive me for all my wrongdoigs ( there has been MANY)
    I truly feel that was the day I was born again... I did tell many ex JWs...some laughed, some said "I was born again too Grace.
    I know what you mean " But I can truthfully say since that day, I have felt the Holy Spirit teaching me... I am not religious ,I am
    spiritually inclined.I feel Jesus has adopted me... He guides me, leads me, directes me, When I do what i want to do( & it is wrong)
    I know it!!!!! I get up every day & ask Him to be with me ,I am old, crippled, got lots of heartaches with my kids, ( that dont speak to me
    on orders of the WT, And the ones that were JWs are now atheists.I do help them money wise ,help etc: even the Wt ones,( they take but dont talk)
    But my belief NOW is God examine's HEARTS.....If we do unto others as we want them to do to us.If we love our enemies !Help when we see it is
    needed,If I adopted a kid, I wouldnt chuck him/her out if she screws up, & who the heck am I???? So I know MY FATHER who adopted me wont .
    When I look at HIS creation. I KNOW there has to be a Creator... I love HIM, !!!!
    You asked I told. I DO believe I am made in HIS image. I have a body, soul,spirit. ...( Jesus showed the body, God the Father is the Soul, the Teacher>>> HOLY Spirit.

    Yes I Now believe in the Trinity

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Don't you???

    The Big Lebowski was about bowling and not %$#@*^! around with da Jesus.

    -Sab

  • Sherilynn
    Sherilynn

    You will gain much knowledge from this site...after 20 yrs as a JW when I was slapped into reality when speaker said if the big A came today there would be only JWs alive and he was so proud of himself. Knowing my non JW family members were loving, honest, decent and principled people who also believed in God...I started to compare JW claims and the actual bible and found this so untrue...also questioning myself of knowing this fact but just letting it go in my mind.

    I too was afraid when I started to research online then found myself saying Thank You Jehovah for the internet. I hope you will read the books being suggested especially Crisis of Conscious by Ray Franz and JW Facts plus other educational sites, do your research answer your own questions you will really find the truth and be free and find the Love that the Bible talks about to have with other human beings.

    I remain inactive as I still wish to keep door open to those who choose to speak to me but I am a do not call house. You will find great freedom when you choose to worship God as a God of Love rather than a God who promotes Hate and Destruction of anyone not sitting in a kingdom hall.

    Peace & Love

  • Kool Jo
    Kool Jo

    @laverite: It must have been tough going to university with no form of support...thankfully my parents didn't object going to college and I'm so glad they respected my decision. No doubt you're happy for the members of your family that have realized what the WTBS is really about. I never really knew the extent to which "shunning" affects family until reading a couple of the threads on this forum. You're right about about the number of born-ins who have left esp if they're capable of taking care of themselves financially. In one of the congregations I'm familiar with, there were 12 teenagers, only 2 stayed in! It ought to be interesting what occurs in the future. Thx for the welcome!

    @mouthy: Thanks for responding to my question. Now coming to think of it, the WTBS is more concerned with the religion that spirituality. How could some of your family members accept your financial assistance but don't talk?

    @Sherilynn: Even I myself feel sadened to know that some of the speakers take pride in knowing that people will be die at Armageddon...almost like they're happy for it, wanting it to happen right now. This site along with JWFACTS have been a real eye opener and I did complete COC...now that left me speechless. Right now, I'm opened minded, doing more and more reading..just started going back to the history of Rutherford, Russell ect...some of the stuff I've read thus far has me shocked beyond comprehension. Well, I'll see what happens, going to take it one day at a time.

    Peace

    Kool Jo

  • flipper
    flipper

    KOOL JO- Nice to have you here ! And continue informing yourself and gaining access to information through the Internet. I was a born-in too and stopped attending in 2003 at age 44. We were never ALLOWED to see any other views other than the WT society literature which really limited our knowledge and ability to think clearly or objectively. So keep the goos work up in your research ! We'll be here for you too as a support system if you need us. Hang in there , it's an interesting journey you're on- believe me. But one that will free your mind. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    How can they accept my money???Kool Jo! You tell me. My daughter that is out of the WT( never been df)
    Knew I was putting money aside for all my grandkids when I kicked the bucket.... I had two thousand each
    for them so far.( 8 kids in all)The ones that are now Atheists( brought up by me as a JW) was all in debt...So she said
    " Mum why dont you give them all the money now when they need it." So she wrote up letters to say they
    were getting it now instead of when I die & they had to sign it to say they received it.
    I gave it to her she sent it to all of them,they signed it & sent her the letter back....So I guess apostate money is O.K.

  • Kool Jo
    Kool Jo

    @flipper: You're so right! I was uneasy with the fact that we encouraged people to be "opened minded, read our literature" ect...but we couldn't do the same for other denominations/religion. The illustration they gave was about if bank employees knowing counterfeit currency ect...that was the most ridiculous example I've ever read in my entire life...why? because I was a banker for a few years!!! I know I'm going to be in for a roller coaster ride esp with my extremist JW mum. In the mean time, I'll continue reading, researching and see what happens. Another member on here "Zid" provided me with some great links..but I'll have to find my own way of fading/dealing with family/ biting my tounge so as not to raise too much suspicion..I'd really love to give up being an MS, but I know my mum would take it very hard...and the questioning and the guitly feeling ect...Im grateful I stumbled upon this board at least I have someone to talk to. It's such a releif to know that I wasn't the only one who had doubts about the WTBS.

    @mouthy: It's unbeleiveable what you mentioned. I'm so sorry that you're family is spilt apart because of your being considered an apostate...It always felt hard for me not to say a simple "hello" to persons whom are consisdered apostates when out & about doing shopping ect...

    Peace

    Kool Jo

  • flipper
    flipper

    KOOL JO- It's good to have you here . Sounds like you're doing a lot of research and informing yourself about the WT society. If you ever want to talk we are here for you if you have tough times dealing with JW family. Many of us have been there, done that. Hang in there ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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