IS GOD REAL? HOW DO YOU KNOW?

by still thinking 778 Replies latest jw friends

  • still thinking
    still thinking
    Actually, Thomas had already demonstrated his faith in Christ. He stood by Him, listened to Him, obeyed Him, followed Him and His teachings. He had already 'proven' himself, so to speak.

    So did Judas, until he betrayed him...that is my point...religion uses doubting Thomas as an example of how we shouldn't be...it is mind control at its worst.

    Go ask any religious person if they want' to be like Thomas....Thomas is second only to Judas in his sinful behaviour. To doubt is to die. Even the GB uses this tactic...but they use it for what they tell us....don't doubt what they say...your life depends on it.

  • mP
    mP

    thomas was a god. the story is more about how all gods and deities are required to submit to the main god - the sun jesus. thomas=tammuz. thomas doubting is not unique that particular storyline has been acted out before.

  • tec
    tec

    Well, Still, I think you know by now that I don't buy into 'religion' and what 'it' says I should think, feel, judge, fear, denounce, embrace, etc ;)

    And Thomas never betrayed Christ. So Thomas and Judas are not really a comparison.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • Nambo
    Nambo

    Hi Still Thinking,

    As Iam sure you realise, God never "proves" himself, he just lets himself get found if we "really grope for him", so its a good way of finding those that really want him, if he flew across the sky, every rapist and muderer would be saying, "yeah, I belive in God", so yes, my experience could be put down to a coincidence if you would rather God didnt exist.

    I had previously tried to find my Father, but without success, hes Prussian, not English like me, back in those days, we didnt have the" web to just look him up and he happened to be there", this was the following day and I wasnt even thinking about him or last nights prayer I made, it was the girl sitting opposite me who was pro-active in that she said to me, Whose name do you want me to look up?", and there he was!

    I had been working at this company for a year, and was unaware of the system she had access to to find clients details, maybe it was a co-incidence that just happened on that one day, whereas it hadnt happened in the previous 365 days?

    Depends on what you want to belive really.

    Something else that cannot be a coincidence, but cannot be shown as evidence to others unless they personally recieve it, is the Holy Spirit, I felt it the first few years in the org, and having got back into a relationship with God independant of any religion, I feel it again.

    I must confess to finding very few Brothers and Sisters when I was "in" that ever felt Holy Spirit, anyone that had would never need to question if God where real, even if they fell away.

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    I do tec...and tha comment wasn't about what you think...it was about what 'religion' teaches...that's why I said 'religion'. I knew you didn't include yourself in that.

    But according to 'religion' doubt is a betrayal...and they love to use Thomas as an example.

  • tec
    tec

    Cool.

    (probably only some religions do that though; some others probably don't use Thomas like that... I don't know; someone who is part of denomination would have to answer that for us)

    Peace,

    tammy

  • SweetBabyCheezits
    SweetBabyCheezits
    Actually, Thomas had already demonstrated his faith in Christ. He stood by Him, listened to Him, obeyed Him, followed Him and His teachings. He had already 'proven' himself, so to speak.

    I don't think that has anything to do with the point of what Thomas Paine wrote in The Age of Reason.

    Thomas Paine was saying that he didn't buy the resurrection story from the hearsay.... so if Thomas the Doubter could demand evidence before he believed it, then we should be permitted to do the same.

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    I wouldn't say NEVER Nambo...he has proven himself in the past. Just not anymore, apparently...we are supposed to rely on hearsay and personal revelation to find him.

    Funny Nambo...I also felt that I had received his spirit..(if that what you want to call it)...when I was heavily involved with the JW's...and yet...they were wrong weren't they? So how could that be?..... Nothing since for me, now if thats not confusing I don't know what is...I can only put it down to wishful thinking on my part...and attributing things to god that were not at all.

  • tec
    tec

    I think it does, SBC, though I could be misunderstanding you. Because Thomas already showed that his faith was in Christ. His faith (already present) was answered.

    Unless you're saying that Thomas Paine had faith in 'Jesus' as the Christ, stands by Him, follows Him, etc... but just doesn't believe in some of the miracles without proof of those, and that he was saying he should not have to believe in the miracles on hearsay? But that he does not doubt Christ, Himself?

    Peace,

    tammy

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    tec...you're making me go ........LOL

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