by tec 251 Replies latest jw friends
I'm always going to remember that you were able to believe in Santa, regardless of evidence
I was able to pretend to believe in him. I did not actually believe in him anymore, and I knew it. I pretended otherwise, to myself and others, but still knew what I was doing.
Peace,
tammy
I guess it could be said that the evidence presented for god's existense is overwhelming personal/testimonial, and not just here.
There seems no hard evidence, smoking gun, exhibit A or otherwise that shows any conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt.
In fact, there is considerable doubt, not only to god's existence per se but more so to exactly what that existence is. It's all rather subjective, given that the majority of those who believe in him/her/it do not have a consensus of what he/she/it is.
Testimonial evidence here is inconclusive. Five people saw someone enter the premises, but all give different descriptions at different times. Sorry, no conviction, the case remains open...;)
Sorry, no conviction, the case remains open...;)
Better than a closed case :)
Peace, and thanks for reading through it all.
Still, I believed in God AND Santa (for a while). What are you gonna do about that, huh?
Peace,
tammy
Also dismissing the point that children create imaginary friends....does not add strength to your argument. The point is they are capable. Without anyone telling them to do it.
I do think this is being dismissed, which is a shame, because it is quite a valid point. It may be in that video too.
As to hallucinogenics---what makes more sense. They took a substance that caused them to see things, and then defined it as some parallel world and sought to experience it over and over
Or---they already had a sense of the spiritual, so when they stumbled on happy mushrooms they figured that was it.
Hallucinogenics play a pretty big role around the world to link adherents to the spriritual---so are trances, chanting, percussion---all of which can put the brain in a trancelike state. Around the world, and even here, dreams hold spiritual signigicance for many. All evidence that humans had many avenues in which the only logical explanation (pre-science) was there was an alternative reality that bled over from time to time.
NC
Still, I believed in God AND Santa (for a while). What are you gonna do about that, huh?
LOL tec....you're just greedy...
Better than a closed case :)
Perhaps. There's still a possibility that your god is the right one, despite what the other witnesses say ;)
Still, I believed in God AND Santa (for a while). What are you gonna do about that, huh?
Nothing, other that say it ain't much different to believe in neither.
Me: I ask again, why should the fact that a human can think of something, whether it be a spiritual realm that was suggested to me by someone else or whether it be my own idea of a super-spirit realm that I might suggest to others, be considered evidence that makes either of them likely to exist?
tec: Because we have not thought of anything else in all our years of evolution and life. Physical and the spiritual... nothing else.
But I have thought of something else: a realm beyond the spirit realm. Just as one can imagine the idea that there is a realm beyond the natural, called super-natural or spirit realm where spirit-beings live, I am now thinking of a realm beyond the proposed spirit realm that I call a super-spirit realm where super-spirit beings live. There, after all our years of evolution and life during which you claim no-one has thought of anything other than physical and spiritual, I am now thinking a new thought: a realm beyond the realm beyond the physical realm. Why should the fact that I have thought of such a thing be considered evidence that it actually exists? By the same token, why should the fact that people have thought of a realm beyond the physical be considered evidence that it exists?
It isn't a new realm if you just add 'super' to it. What are the properties of this other realm? Not physical or spiritual properties... something else entirely?
Peace,
tammy
Defining the physical is easy.
Defining the spiritual, that's something else.
Yes. Something else entirely. Just as the claimed spiritual realm is simply defined as non-physical, I am proposing a realm that is non-physical and non-spiritual. Just as you cannot tell me what the properties of the spiritual realm are, other than to tell me that it is non-physical, I cannot, at the moment, tell you what the properties of the super-spiritual realm are, other than that it is non-physical and non-spiritual. Give me a few minutes, and I will think of some properties though. In the meantime, am I correct that you cannot tell me any of the properties of the spiritual realm, other than to say it is non-physical? If I am incorrect, please tell me some properties of the spiritual realm, since you have been using the term.
