This made me awfully sad

by corpusdei 42 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Judging form her facial expressions and body language she was quite uncomfortable with the conversation

    "Light" tends to do that when it exposes one's "nakedness", dear DLL (peace to you!). And what you did was hold up the Light (that is Christ)... to reveal your dear mother's "nakedness" (where she was without "clothing"... love, which is what she is supposed to be "clothed" with). Sadly, few understand this... and run away from it.

    I would wager, though, giving the "wheels and cogs" you say spinning... that if you keep holding up that Light (Christ)... in opposition to the "darkness" of the WTBTS... she will eventually "see". Right now, the "light" might be a bit too bright, so that even if she removed her hands from over them, she might not be able to open her eyes. But the wonderful thing about that Light... it is so beautiful that some simply can't resist it. They have to see it for themselves and so they do eventually open their eyes... and "behold" him.

    May it be so with your mother... for your sake and hers.

    Again, peace to you!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • Disillusioned Lost-Lamb
    Disillusioned Lost-Lamb

    Thank you for your kind words AG.

    At the moment it seems like she is stuck in for good, but I will NEVER give up trying.

  • justmom
    justmom

    I am truly sorry to have read this letter also. I can relate to this as my mother died 18 months ago with the same feelings towards me and now my three sons. How sad to have allowed a religion to loose out on the lives of your grandchildren. And her hope is that they will not even survive armaggedon because they are worldly.

    She did mention in the letter this was the path she has chosen. And she did mention to her son that he also has chosen his path. So if there is no law against LOVE which is the identifying mark ofa TRUE christian, and we are told to LOVE our ENEMIES then why can't religion put aside, there still not be love shown. I'm sure the son didn't tell his mother because of the path I have chosen I will no longer be speaking to you. (I'm tired of the excuse, "I still love you, but I can't show you") The society has printed that they do not make families choose between them and their children. We all know that is a LIE. But these people are taught to show greater love to the world in general that "practices supposedly gross sins" that to their own flesh.

    Yes, I completely understand the control this cult has, believe me. But that little voice inside (spirit) that some say "gutfeeling" or "conscience" is always speaking to us. It is up to us whether we hear it today and save a whole lotta pain or wait decades and have regrets that we didn't listen earlier. Or never listen to it and allow man to control who we LOVE and NOT LOVE!

    I truly have compassion for this story, but there still is really NO excuse for this behavior. I say this because I have lived through this. And I have done this personally with family and I am not proud of it today. But thank Jah I am who I am today because of it.

    With love to you all

    justmom

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    The society has printed that they do not make families choose between them and their children. We all know that is a LIE.

    But that is my point, dear 'Mom (Hey, girl, and the greatest of love and peace to you and your family... MY family!): DOES the "Society" really do that? Or do these folks make such a choice based on what THEY want... using the "Society" as an excuse? Because I know (and I know you know I do) of families that have NO problem associating with DF'd children, even with one DF'd child while absolutely shunning another! They can [choose to] love one (or two) children, in spite of such DF'ing, but not another?

    And what do others/the Society say about their love to the ones they [choose to] love? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Sure, their fellow JW members might have something to say, but I haven't heard the Borg say anything; to the contrary: they now publish the opposite.

    We've ALL heard folks say... even here on this Board... that although DF'd, they still have relationships with their loved ones, that THEIR loved ones would never go that far. And we can all pretty agree that it isn't DF'ing that the problem... but the GROUNDS (while some have no problem "associating" with someone DF'd for, say, smoking or drinking, they have a problem with someone DF'd for, say, adultery. They almost ALL, however... and the Society DOES have a say... when it comes to being DF'd for disagreeing - i.e., "apostasy").

    But how does a parent himself/herself CHOOSE... and many do. Many can love one sibling but not another, a DF'd one but not a differently DF'd one. While all requires personal choice... this requires even more personal choice, doesn't it? Which takes it, IMHO, past blaming the Borg... to some kind of personal culpability.

    Even so... if the blind is leading the blind... and blind are letting themselves BE led... who holds the most blame? Both are blind.

    The Borg is to blamed, yes... but again, each one is enticed and drawn out... by his own desire. If one's desire is to [truly] love one's child... nothing can/will stop that. Because love... never fails. IF, however, there is already some lack of love for that child present... and a lot of it can be described with two simple words... jealousy and envy (and yes, there are people who are jealous of and envy their own children!) then love CAN fail. Indeed, it often does.

    Again, peace to you... and you know I love you, girl... and know the "situation", so...

    YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

    SA

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    AGuest, here ya go, although you are doing fine without one:

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Aw, Jer... thanks, but no, you keep it (you might need it more than me).

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • justmom
    justmom

    AGuest,

    My sister you are sooo right. WOW! How sad... My husband comes from a family of 7. The oldest is inactive sleeping with her boyfriend and everyone in the family and cong. are fine with her. The second is disfellowshipped and is a lesbian and they help her financially when possible and said they would take care of her (move in) when her health gets too bad. The fourth child is gay and practices his life on the side but goes to all the meetings and works behind the counter at kingdom hall. Child # 6 committed adultery and was disfellowshipped for a time but the family still supported him and worked with him in the family business. Child #7 has moved away but been disfellowshipped I think three times and the family still invited her to family reunions and worked with her in the family business. Now she is sleeping with her future husband that is also a witness lol and the family of JWs LOVE him and support him.

    My dear husband that is number 3 is disfellowshipped for disagreeing and speaking out of his faith and partaking at the memorial. He has been along with me disfellowshipped for "apostacy" and they have had nothing to do with us or our three sons for 14 1/2 years now!!!!

    YES YES They have made their love conditional by choice. Because they are okay with the rest of the siblings just not him.

    Thanks for the encouragement

    peace and love to you

    justmom

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Hey, there, Mom, love... the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one! Yes, it was both of your families that made me ask about. I couldn't understand how BOTH treated... and still treat... you two. Many things made my head spin SO much I had to ask. What I heard was, as I stated above, jealousy and envy plays a huge part (and neither are love).

    I know this may be hard for some to comprehend... but some will absolutely see, if not identify with it... but he said many parents actually envy the conviction, intelligence, wherewithall, success, popularity, even the love the other parent has... for one or more of their children... among other things (there was more but I won't expound on that, here due to potential sensitivities of others). He said that these children are usually the "good" ones, when they're young, that they don't get caught up in the normal "incidences of youth" that [their] other children might... or not to the extent other children might... and so when these are perceived to have "fallen", such parents (and often siblings) actually derive some kind of pleasure about it. Often small pleasure, but not always. One of those "You always thought you were so... fill in the blanks... but look at you now; I TOLD you you were too... fill in the blanks."

    He said that it isn't because the child is/was "all-that", but because of insecurities that the parent/sibling has about themselves... which they fear are more visible in the "light" of such child. Some harbor their own needs for attention and any given to anyone (that THEY haven't chosen to receive it) sets their teeth on edge.

    But he also told me where this comes from: somewhere, in that parent/sibling's life, someone from whom THEY needed attention, regard, consideration... even love... didn't give [enough] of it. None, or not enough for that parent/sibling, as a child. Knowing this... helped me... to hang onto some of the love I need to have for others who treat their own blood like this. Especially those who believe they're adhering to the Bible and by doing so following God and Christ when they do it. They're not, of course. I wish I could help them see the meaning of the words at Isaiah 58:6-9 and how, by treating family as such, they are actually "profaning" the "fast" of JAH. Those verses state:

    “Is not this the fast that I choose? To loosen the fetters of wickedness, to release the bands of the yoke bar, and to send away the crushed ones free, and that YOU people should tear in two every yoke bar? Is it not the dividing of your bread out to the hungry one, and that you should bring the afflicted, homeless people into [your] house? That, in case you should see someone naked, you must cover him, and that you should not hide yourself from your own flesh?

    “In that case your light would break forth just like the dawn; and speedily would recuperation spring up for you. And before you your righteousness would certainly walk; the very glory of JaHVeH would be your rear guard. In that case you would call, and JaHVeH himself would answer; you would cry for help, and he would say, ‘Here I am!’"

    (Emphases all mine)

    They don't understand the "fast" of JAH, though, partly because they are following blind guides... but mainly because they won't open their own eyes and SEE God... through seeing Christ. His own siblings (and step-father) rejected him, called him mad, etc. But he didn't reject them; indeed, he even poured his spirit out on them. Joseph... forgiving his brothers who sold him out.

    Take courage, though... and I know you dear, dear folks have... who knows that but you won't actually get to portray "Joseph"... and grant them the love and mercy that they have withheld from you? As I know you have been doing all along now.

    You know I love you guys... forever and ever. Peace to you... and may JAH continue to bless and keep you, you AND your entire household, even those who have treated you horribly (may JAH forgive them; may our Lord plead for such for them, as we do).

    Your servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

    SA

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    The confusing part is that some dubs are selective about adhering to the tenents of the WTS, perhaps because the WTS is also wishy-washy. On the issue of shunning relatives, the Society seems to 'tack' back and forth like a sailboat trying to catch the prevailing winds. Sometimes they are lenient, softer, kinder - but that stance is always inevitably followed by a period of cracking down - harsh, rigid, punitive.

    Individual dubs are highly inconsistent in their application of the shunning dictum. My own JW mother refused to shun her children (one DFd, two disassociated) because of the WTS and ultimately wrote a letter of disassociation. My aunt (mom's sister) basically disowned and condemned her DFd daughter nearly 40 years ago, but now associates with other DFd family members.

    I've known dubs who couldn't bring thremselves to put in more that 1 - 2 hours FS per month, couldn't coherently explain the Truth, but enthusiastically took to shunning like they were born to it.

    I've known dubs who would rather die from lack of a blood transfusion than get up and give a talk.

    I've been harshly shunned by family whom I loved and, years later, had the same family break bread with me in my home.

    The inconsistency makes it all the more painful, because it does seem to be selective.

    Peace - to two of my favorite posters, AG and OTWO.

  • stuckinlimbo
    stuckinlimbo

    Thisis sad and freaky for me because that letter is so much the same as the one sent to my husband by his mother. It is almost word for word in parts! But my husband and I are only faded! He just made the mistake of confiding to her about hick of belief in the society and god, because SHE made him feel like he could talk to her and she was all thankful and understanding and the the letter arrived in the mail... weak... anyway she later retracted it after my husband back tracked on the unbelief in god "you misunderstood me, etc" for the sake of peace and maintaining the relationship (although we keep our distance, it iseasier this way) But unbelievable the letters are so much the same! with the emphasis on the mother maintaining HERrelationship with god, the fact that her son has hurt HER, the statement SHE has done everything to bring himup in the "truth" wanted himto be happpy, etc, and will always love him :/

    We will never forgive her for that letter.

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