by justmom 160 Replies latest jw friends
EP...
1? Ask him what he will do for you if you worship him.
2? You shouldn't love ANYBODY you don't want to.
3? Because I know his son. He's a spittin image of His father. Sorta like my boys if you saw them. You will have to figure that one out on your own.
Remember I can talk all day in person, but my typing has to be short and sweet. Well at least compared to some.
Love to you
justmom
Thanks Josie
We had a great time with the fam also. You guys are doing such a good job with your children. They are so sweet. You ever travel north, come our way. Our home is open to you.
love
justmom
1) i have asked many times and never gotten an answer. What does that mean?
2) I didn't ask if I had to love him, I just asked why I should. conversely, what will happen to me if I don't worship him?
3) no, you said you were here to answer questions. if you know the father because he and the father look the same, then how do you know the son, if not from the bible? I am trying to figure the source I can go to (since god nor his son talk to me) to figure out what they look like.
Hello justmom. I found it distasteful that Q and EP choose to ignore your very loving OP and post things like:
But, you still need my God, he's the ONLY right way, just the one I worship, anything else and my loving God will send you straight to hell.
Here is an excerpt from your OP:
We want you to know, any of you out there that we are here for you to share or if there is ANYTHING pertaining to our lord and master that I can help you with please ask.
Q and EP are not just non believers they are atheists and are known to peruse this site looking for a fight. After disregard for your OP EP decides to throw a few "questions" at you. These are hooks as I mentioned earlier. Unfortunately he is not being sincere. The very fact that you choose to continue on having faith puts them off. They call faith "mind rot" and seek to enlighten believers into non belief. 2 John says there will be many "antichrists" and he was very right about that.
Of course you have your God-given free will and powers of reason and you are free to engage them as you wish. Just know that they are not sincere in their questions regarding your Lord and they are not worth very much of your time. They only seek to defame your Lord of which you know to be true in their quest to disproove that he exists. It is the sad truth, but the truth nonetheless.
I too am an EXJW who has found God and Christ and my journey gets better with each day. Christ has helped me through some very rough times as he was the only one who could objectively view me. Most who I once loved have left my side and consider me weak and beyond help. Christ knew this not to be true, but I was too deep within my own self pity to figure it out myself. I found the spring of Christ and freedom tastes sweet. However there is a torture stake invovled as well because of the existence we reside within. Because of the Adversary.
I am inspired by your choice to remain in the faith after such a terrible time with the JW's. Many fall into non belief and into chaos. You must be very strong and I look forward to getting to know you better.
-Sab
Sabastious, please do not attempt to derail this thread with your distasteful personal attacks and childish vendetta. I am attempting to engage in conversation with justmom and it is extremely rude and childish of you to interject with nothing of value to contribute to the conversation.
Please, when you have something posotive to contribute, speak up. This is a posotive thread and you are attempting to tear down. Jesus would be ashamed of you.
I felt the need to inform someone who might not know what they are getting into. I speak from experience. These types are only interested in converting people to atheism or tearing up the details of their faith to strengthen their own resolve of non belief. They threw their faith in a dark pit and now they seek reconciliation away from the place they need to go back to. That's all I will say.
-Sab
Sab
thanks for your sharing
justmom
Sabastious, please do not attempt to derail this thread with your distasteful personal attacks and childish vendetta.
I haven't seen anything distasteful and childish from sab.
Why do you athiests post on these post's? Is it because you haven't outgrown pulling pigtails in the playground so come here to do it?
Sab - I do often find myself in a fight and it a definite part of my online experience and yet normally its caused by vigorosly examining ideas. You'll hopefully have noticed that I haven't said anything personal here and I even went so far as to have a bit of fun with you - (and you ignored it you cad). The OP struck me as so familiar and I paused for a moment to wonder why. Then it hit me - its exactly how I used to be as a missionary. I'd bounce up to someones door and proceed to invite them to my truth. I sat and pondered that for a moment and asked myself if there was anything different between all the believers I'd ever met (and been). Hence my first post. It could have been an opportunity for you to go deep and think about what I said. You see no one thinks they are wrong. Everyone is selling the truth (sure the details are tweaked but its always the absolute 'truth') and the difference isn't really the product, its simply the methodolgy. The ONLY reason why people don't see the obvious truth being sold is because they don't use the correct methodology. Get that right and Jesus will be your Lord, Krishna will hear you and Thor will cast down his thunderbolt for you.
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The next thing I noticed is the misapplication of descriptive analogies to describe something that should be absolutely without need of a metaphor. As a mormon missionary I would say things like 'As the spirit of God rests upon you you will begin to feel the love of god burning within you, your testimony will grow.' This sentence is deliberately evasive in that it doesn't actually describe any mechanisms and allows the imagination to fill in the gap so that an idea of 'love ..burning' can be sufficiently manipulated to mean pretty much anything that approximates the desired result (group identification.) As soon as someone said something to Elder Qcmbr like 'I feel really good when I read the Book of Mormon' I'd be all over that and that would remind them that I'd told them about this spirit of God that would rest on them etc. In short religious language is ambiguous , like cold reading, so that post event it can be applied to the widest possible set of matching outcomes.
Breathe.
The next thought was that when anyone is selling their truth its almost always accompanied with attestations to it being wonderful, life enriching etc. Everyone who has joined the group is encouraged to present to the outside world the same sales smile and breathless excitement, everyone is positively bubbling over with excitement. JWs do it on the door even though as so many have candidly shared here that hides an inner disparity (of course that won't refer to any believers posting here who of course are full of the spirit and need to let you know how much everyone else is missing - its a rare believer who turns up and simply posts 'today is pretty carp' .)
Scratch.
And finally - it kinda just looks like once again its a primeval need to split people into similar groupings. If I came on here as a seperate poster (and didn't get caught by my ip address) and posted as a believer and shared all my LDS feelings (i.e. where I felt the spirit, it felt invigorating and full of love) without alluding to my actual LDS beliefs but simply my god belief and its positive effects I would be high fived by such posters as FHN, Snowbird, justmom, Mouthy etc. not because I shared their actual core belief but because I was in the 'believer' camp. In fact I still have a PM from a believer ages ago thanking me for sticking up for God - it didn't matter that had she thought about it I was, as a Mormon, probably the evil apostate in all other circumstances. In short its which general side you cheer for rather than thevalidity of the belief that is most important.
Can we go back to Star Wars ? Much more fun.
Can we go back to Star Wars ? Much more fun.
I am sorry for lumping you in with EP, Q. You are clearly an eloquent person and your past godliness still manifests into your life of non belief. You give me faith in science because I know even greater people exist within the community that you are a part of. I agree that Star Wars is more fun, which is why I posted it in the first place. Maybe you could calm down your friend who seems to be frothing at the mouth a bit.
-Sab
