TALLYMAN ATTACKS FREEPEACE! THANKS!!!

by FreePeace 54 Replies latest jw friends

FreePeace

Tallyman has seen fit to make an unprovoked attack on me and my book, "The Game Rules for Life." Read it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=22748&page=4&site=3
What do I say in response? "Hey look honey, another attack on me from someone who doesn't have a clue about me...yawn."
I would like to thank Tallyman for bringing this up. Controversy is good!
I have given away far more copies of my book than I have ever sold. I have offered my book free of charge here in this forum several times to those who would like to read it. Many have taken me up on it, and I have shipped it at my own expense around the world.
I now make the same offer to anyone who would like to read it. Take a look at my "commercial website" for more info on my book, http://www.empowerthespirit.com/gamerule.htm. If you would like to read it, just send me an email with your address, and I will send you a copy free of charge.
Here is what one young ex-JW had to say about my book:
"Dear Doug,
"I just wanted to tell you how much reading your book has made my days a lot easier. I just keep reading and reading to keep my spirits lifted.
"I really am appreciating the part that discusses not feeling sorry for yourself. I didn't realize how much I did that. Now I see that it is all up to me to have a good or bad day no matter what kind of crap is going on around me.
"My parents are realizing this as well. It is just such a dizzying affect to get out of the whirlwind of witness consciousness. I mean it is taking them a lot longer because they don't have the freedom of being disfellowshipped, know what I mean??
"Reality is such a kick, but the best one to ever get.
"Well, I have to run, but I just wanted to pass on my sincere appreciation for all the efforts you have went through to put your life on the line so to speak to share your most personal tragedy in hopes of helping others see the light a little sooner in their lives."
—TB, California
------------------
Again, my thanks to Tallyman for giving me an opportunity to help others!
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
Kent

Tallyman has seen fit to make an unprovoked attack on me and my book, "The Game Rules for Life."
Well, maybe you look upon it as “unprovoked”, but reading what Tallyman said, I’d say he was provoked. Facts are too many people are trying to make lots of money on others misery and “happiness” is sold for billions every year. Religious zealots, political lunatics, psychiatrists, fortune tellers and “New-Age” healers are doing a lot of damage to people already beaten up. The general idea that someone will achieve “more success in every aspect of your life” by reading a book – no matter if it’s sold or given away – is highly overrated, to say it the least.
I have given away far more copies of my book than I have ever sold. I have offered my book free of charge here in this forum several times to those who would like to read it. Many have taken me up on it, and I have shipped it at my own expense around the world.
Maybe so, I don’t say you haven’t done that. And I don’t really think that’s what provoked Tallyman either. Take a look at what he’s really saying:
Like it is a REEL Klass Akt for someone to come into a forum
where there are a lot of hurting, vulnerable people, who have
just left a cult, or trying to get out of the Watchtowercult...
and beside a poster's name, put a link to a BUSINESS WEBSITE
advertising "empowerment".
It’s a fact there is a lot of vulnerable people on this site, just like Tallyman say, and because of that he reacts to the fact that people are advertising how to get MOTIVATED and EMPOWERED and BUILD SELF-ESTEEM for hard cash on a site like this.
Personally I haven’t read your book, and I therefore can’t say anything pro or con the content or the advices you give people to be “more success filled in every aspect of life” – but I have to admit I’m generally rather skeptical to contentions like that. Facts of life tells us most people aren’t “great successes” – even though I’m sure everybody would like to be a staggering success in everything from personal relations to business-life.
I guess I don’t agree in your claim that Tallyman attacked you “unprovoked” – because primary claims like the ones you’re promoting can be provocative to a lot of people – me included.
But, as I said – I don’t know your book. IF you learn what you claim – I’m amazed the book isn’t a staggering success. According to yourself you have to give it away.
This could be because of your good heart and a pure will to help others.
This could also be because the book doesn’t stand further investigation into facts.
Yachyd Da
Kent
I need the new KM's as they come! Please send me scans!
Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://watchtower.observer.org
moman

FP,
I don't read "self-help" books, but 2 people have told me the book was great & helped them gain a positive perspective on some things.
PS One was my wife, so thanks.
FreePeace

Kent,
It never ceases to amaze me how others can attack certain ones, and overlook others.
How many books have been recommended on this site? Many. And yet I don't think I've ever heard someone complain. And yet when I recommend my own book as a resource to help others, especially ex-JW's, I get reamed. Why can't I recommend my own book? What is wrong with offering it to ex-JW's as well as the general public? Why pre-judge me by assuming that I am out to take undo advantage of others?
Facts are too many people are trying to make lots of money on others misery and “happiness” is sold for billions every year. Religious zealots, political lunatics, psychiatrists, fortune tellers and “New-Age” healers are doing a lot of damage to people already beaten up.
This is not the first time I’ve been accused of this by others, and without merit I might add.
How about adding Doctors, Nurses, Dentists, Chiropractors, and many others to your list? Do these very ones not make money off the suffering of others? And yet, do they not also provide a needed service? Are the people they help not grateful for this? The same is true for those who want to heal the spirit within.
The general idea that someone will achieve “more success in every aspect of your life” by reading a book – no matter if it’s sold or given away – is highly overrated, to say it the least.
The fact is that no book, article, speaker, or anything else will make you change or get "more success in your life." You must do it for yourself. The advantage of self-help books is that they cause you to think. And that is all I am trying to do, provoke my readers to thought.
Since you believe that self-help books are "overrated," it is obvious you have not read many or are not particularly interested in personal growth topics.
It’s a fact there is a lot of vulnerable people on this site, just like Tallyman say, and because of that he reacts to the fact that people are advertising how to get MOTIVATED and EMPOWERED and BUILD SELF-ESTEEM for hard cash on a site like this.
Yes, there are many who are hurting on this site, and they are in desperate need of some encouragement. This is exactly why I have offered my book to them for FREE. Encouragement is in short supply, and I would like to change that to the extent I can.
Also, it is obvious that both you and Tallyman have missed the entire point of my Empower the Spirit website. It is to help people overcome the things that hold them back. It is NOT a site directed at ex-JW's, it is directed at the general public. Out of the many FREE articles and resources on my site, there are only 2 items for sale (one of which I do not make a dime on), in addition to my coaching service. If I was trying to milk people’s grief, don’t you think I would offer far more products?
I don’t know how you fund your efforts to help others. Perhaps you are independently wealthy. But I am not. It is completely ethical to charge a reasonable fee for one’s services. However, it should always be Win-Win, not Win-Lose on either side.
I guess I don’t agree in your claim that Tallyman attacked you “unprovoked” – because primary claims like the ones you’re promoting can be provocative to a lot of people – me included.
Tallyman says that the link to my “commercial” website is posted in my signature tag. It is not. I deleted it quite a few months ago. That means he had to do some digging to find it. That means that he attacked me, unprovoked by me, by digging up the past. He was simply acting out of anger towards my wife, and he came up with the only thing he could. Wouldn’t it be better if he would spend his time upbuilding and encouraging others, rather than tearing down?
If he had a serious problem with me posting the link, would it not have been kinder to e-mail me and tell me of his concern? Point made.
But, as I said – I don’t know your book. IF you learn what you claim – I’m amazed the book isn’t a staggering success. According to yourself you have to give it away.
This could be because of your good heart and a pure will to help others.
This could also be because the book doesn’t stand further investigation into facts.
For a book to be a “staggering success,” it needs to be promoted. Books that are not promoted—regardless of quality—do not become “staggering successes.”
I do take comfort that my book HAS BEEN A “STAGGERING SUCCESS” to a handful of the ones who have read it, and then wrote to me about how it “changed their lives.”
Just to set the record straight, I do not “have to give it away.” You are correct when you say it is “because of your good heart and a pure will to help others.”
Have you ever written and published a book because of your sincere desire to help others? Have you then tried to get it published by a publishing house? Have you ever felt the frustration that so many successful authors have felt when they get rejection letter after rejection letter? In just about every case, any successful author is rejected dozens of times before their book is a “staggering success.”
As for you individually, you are also correct when you say, “This could also be because the book doesn’t stand further investigation into facts.” I don’t believe my book is for you. But it is for many other people.
I am also surprised that you posted this. To my knowledge, I have never had any unfavorable dealings with you. You are trying to help people in your own way. So am I. And I don’t know about you, but I have earned less than $100 selling my books and services because I give most of it away. Most of the money I have made is from non-JW's. Now I suppose you could go off on me again and say it is because what I have isn’t worth it, and again, you would be correct— but only for yourself.
What I have, what I offer, and who I am is wholly as worthy as anything and anyone else. I am proud of what I have accomplished in my book, my writings, my efforts to help others, and in myself. I am proud of myself for overcoming incredible tragedy in my life (as so many of us have).
Over the past year, I have learned an extremely valuable life lesson—a “Game Rule for Life, if you will. And that lesson is that it doesn’t matter how good you are, it doesn’t matter how sincere, it doesn’t matter whether you have a PhD or any other degree, it doesn’t matter how much good you’ve accomplished, there will always be people out there who love you and people who hate and accuse you of ulterior motives.
I sincerely owe a large debt of gratitude to the people out there who have criticized me and my work without really knowing who I am and what I’m trying to do. It has sharpened me, and caused me to refine myself and my writings immeasurably.
And I am also grateful to those that appreciate my work. It provides the encouragement to trudge forward that so often is in short supply.
My best to you.
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
FreePeace

Moman,
Thanks for your kind comments! I am glad your wife liked it!
Doug
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
safe4kids

Well gee, I guess the board must be cycling into one of those periods of "unrest" again...sigh, I'm getting heartily sick of it myself.
Kent, to my knowledge, Doug has never tried to capitalize on the pain of others to benefit himself. He's offered help willingly and freely to those who are interested in it. As for the website, I could be wrong, but I believe the majority of the people who visit it are NOT ex-jws. And why is this even an issue?? So it's okay that Crisis of Conscience is for sale...why is that? Because you agree with it? Because you've found it helpful? Fine. Good. No problem. Others have found Doug's book to be something they've agreed with, something helpful. Doug deserves remuneration for his work; at least, that's the way it is here in the US.
As for Tally's post, yes I think it was an unprovoked attack on Doug, because he was pissed at Tracy. Big deal. I'm sure everyone involved will get over it. What I don't understand is if you're not into self-help books, why not just ignore it?
Whatever.
Dana
Tallyman

Ditto to what Kent stated.
Tallyman has seen fit to make an unprovoked attack on me and my book,
"The Game Rules for Life."
Who are you, dude?
I don't know you.
I was trying to teach Schtinky a lesson in what "No Klass" is,
and pointed out that beside her posting name,
she puts a link to a Family BUSINESS WEBSITE
advertising "empowerment".
And $ELLING books and $elling Advice.
In a "cult recovery forum".
THAT is no class.
I clicked the website beside your "FREE"peace posting name,
and got a "Help for ex-Jehovah's Witnesses Seeking Comfort and Truth"
site, which, when I clicked on the "Finnish" link, I got this:
Table of Contents
Click Here to Read Free Excerpts
Order The Game Rules for Life
online for only $14.95! + $2 S&H
Order Your Copy Now!
THAT don't look too "free".
Another shameless business promo to $ELL a book for a site that
you titled: "Help" for x-jWs... hmm, "help" don't come cheep.
What do I say in response? "Hey look honey,
another attack on me from someone who doesn't have a clue about me
...yawn."

So, why didn't you roll over and go to sleep, instead of flapping
yer yapper and making a big deal out of it...
what a contradiction!
I would like to thank Tallyman for bringing this up.
Controversy is good!

Is that like the cheap No Klass Hollywood movie star sleaze
that says: "Any publicity, even bad publicity, is good publicity" ?
Is THAT why you're thanking me?
I have given away far more copies of my book than I have ever sold. I have offered my book free of charge here in this forum several times to those who would like to read it. Many have taken me up on it, and I have shipped it at my own expense around the world.

Is that why I can't find a FREE Downloadable copy of it on any of your sites,
like I just told Schtinky?
* http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=22748&site=3&page=5
Hey man, this is the Electronic Age. Put it up on the Net.
Digitize it. Make it REALLY free for ALL to read...
instead of the "Excerpts" cited above in your advertisement.
Teasing excerpts?
Show 'em just a li'l bit and : : p a n t ! , p a n t ! : :
they'll soon want more, more!
Sounds like a porno site.
Hey man, I looked up a Motivational Speaker site which lists the
main players in the biz, and wonder of wonder, didn't find your
name there:
* http://www.motivationseminars.com/motivationalspeakers1.htm#LB
Didn't see YOUR name in this list of "famous" Mo' Speakers,
so you must be small potatoes ... uhh hey, maybe you need to
read your own book - TO BE A SUCKSESS, LIKE These Other Jokers!
What a Krock of Personality Kult Krap!
Conners, Scammers, Rip-Off artists, Pyramid Schemers, Multi-Level-Marketeers,
all the same sort of NO KLASS ACTS as the "Motivational Speakers"
Talk about a Big Kult Kamp Meeting when you go to one of these Whiz-Bangs!
The Empowerment Kult Leaders are up there on Stage Dancing and Prancing,
just like the Televangelists, and whipping the Krowd up into a Frenzy,
and Barking Out Cheesy Slogans and have the audience repeat after them...
yelling, screaming, hollering and ALL the Motivational Kultists
Khiming in Unison, in Blind Konformity.
Reminds me of the PromiseKeepers Kult, and their big Stadium meetings,
and the motivational speakers they get to whip them up,
ususally sports jocks or coaches full of shit and sports analogies.
"You can have everything in life you want if you'll
only help enough other people get what they want." -- Zig Ziglar
Ziggy says: Repeat after me: SUCCESS!EMPOWERMENT!RICHES!BEER!GIRLS-JUMPING-ON-TRAMPOLINES!!!
YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL! Just BUY My BOOKs! and Tape$! and my Big Mo' Kit!!!
and you can BEE A SUCK-SESS! NOW! WHY WAIT?!? FORK OVER THE DOUGH!!
SPEND $$$ TO MAKE $$$ !!!
The fact is that no book, article, speaker, or anything else will make you change or get "more success in your life." You must do it for yourself. The advantage of self-help books is that they cause you to think. And that is all I am trying to do, provoke my readers to thought.

Nawwww, what you're doing is not stimulating other to free thought.
You're giving them some New Age Shakedown - a prescription, a formula,
a Set of RULES to live their lives by, IF they expect to be a success.
Tallyman says that the link to my “commercial” website is posted in my signature tag. It is not. I deleted it quite a few months ago. That means he had to do some digging to find it. That means that he attacked me, unprovoked by me, by digging up the past. He was simply acting out of anger towards my wife, and he came up with the only thing he could. Wouldn’t it be better if he would spend his time upbuilding and encouraging others, rather than tearing down?
What the hell you talking about, dude?
How much time have I spent "digging"?
I simply clicked the site link beside Schtinky's user name
* http://www.empowerthespirit.com/
and it took me straight to your family BUSINESS WEBSITE,
with your products for sales, along with your consultation fees...
uhhhh-oh, ... are you going to send me a bill for THIS session???
I noticed in that website for motivational speakers and RATES they charge.
Here's what a couple of small fries charge for speaking engagements...
_______________________________________
Empowerment
Fee Range Name Region
$10,001 - $15,000 Brian Holloway NY
$ 2,500 - $ 5,000 Michael Scott NV
_______________________________________
Good-Golly-Miss-Molly!
Thar is BIG Money in that thar Motivational Schtuff.
What you charge, "Free"peace?
FreePeace
Misnomer.
TT
sf

Tom,
Was that free speech you just gave away?
I accept the "gift". Thank you.
I love you, I really do.
sKally:
If man was supposedly created in gods image, then.....holy krap...we're all doomed.-sKallyWagger
FreePeace

Tallyman,
Judging from your response, I rest my case. You need no help in proving your incompetence.
Edited to add that Tracy has more class on her worst day than you've had over your whole life combined. But that's rather obvious.
FreePeace
"The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS
safe4kids

I'm off to class but I just had to comment:
Hey man, I looked up a Motivational Speaker site which lists the main players in the biz, and wonder of wonder, didn't find your
name there
So unless a person is famous they can't be succesful?? Give me an effing break!
So Doug, obviously you've got it all wrong, my friend. You should be sooooo ashamed! LMAO
Dana

TALLYMAN ATTACKS FREEPEACE! THANKS!!!

Share this