TALLYMAN ATTACKS FREEPEACE! THANKS!!!

by FreePeace 54 Replies latest jw friends

  • FreePeace
    FreePeace

    Hi Kent,

    Thanks for your post. I appreciate your comments, and I too am sorry if I misinterpreted them.

    I also understand what you are saying about claims, and when it came to writing the back cover for my book, I had to balance claims with marketing. I did not say anything that wasn’t true on the book’s back cover. The fact is that if people would apply sound suggestions in their lives, they would have better lives. The difficulty for most people is actually applying sound counsel routinely in life. I too must fight to stay upbeat and remember the good things in life. In fact, I myself read my own book from time to time just to stay centered and balanced in my thinking.

    But it is people, individuals—who make changes. Personal growth books simply provide a fertile environment for a person’s motivation to grow.

    I do not claim to have received some kind of special gift from God in the self-growth department. What I wrote in my book was a combination of my own life-lessons, and many things I’ve read and applied in my life that worked. I present these life-lessons from my own perspective, and I have found that this is important. I have read the same things many times, but sometimes, the way it is the unique way the author presents the information that just strikes a chord of understanding within me. I hope that I may do the same for someone else by my unique presentation of lessons-learned.

    Tallyman criticized the title of my book, “The Game Rules for Life.” But there is a reason why I chose that title. I wrote the book as I was coming out of the Borg and divorcing my alcoholic ex-wife. As an elder doing all I could do to help others, and after tearfully begging Jehovah for help, I just couldn’t understand why He was so silent and wouldn’t help me with my family. I kept asking Him, “What are the rules? If you will just tell me the game rules, then I can know what to do.” I thought I knew what the rules of the game were from being a Witness. But it wasn’t working.

    So I got rid of the “rules” I had learned from the GB, and looked to the ones I had learned in life. Hence, the title of my book. It has been my intention for about a year to rename my book when I revise it in the future, because I have grown past the need for “rules.”

    In my view you have to expect reactions like than when promoting the claims you do.
    With all due respect, I am still trying to figure out all these “claims” I’ve made. If you read the back of my book again, I have simply asked if people are hurting, and then add:

    “The Game Rules for Life addresses these and many other critical areas of life. It takes a candid and fresh approach to many of life's most perplexing problems and stimulates you to discover sensible solutions. It shows you how to discover and implement your life-dream by creating a Plan for Living. In short, it shows you how to manage and minimize, if not eliminate life's problems and deliver greatness everyday.”

    I didn’t said that “I” was going to solve their problems, because “I” can’t. Only they can. However, perhaps I can provoke them to thought about their life. This is my whole purpose.

    I also understand that when you put yourself “out there” with a book, you are subject to criticism. As I have previously said, some people will love you and some will people hate you. I am willing to risk being criticized, and have been before. But these people really do not know me, who I am, or what I’m all about. So I chalk it up to lack of understanding and anger on their part. It’s their stuff, not my stuff. But at the same time, I feel for them.

    You are correct about all the attacks here on the board. I know that I have done some attacking, but usually when some other person attacked another. I have refrained from attacks in recent months, and just don’t feel the need anymore. I have never been so vilely criticized by anyone in the way the Tallyman did.

    It simply happened because Tracy has a link to my website in her profile. There is nothing wrong with this, nor is it prohibited by policy (to my knowledge). Many ex-JW's have visited my sites, and have written to me expressing their appreciation.

    To my best recall, I don’t believe that I have ever had an argument with Tallyman, and certainly not on the thread he was on. So for him to single me out was unprovoked BY ME. To think that I provoked him simply because I wrote a book, is not reasonable. He was simply lashing out at Tracy. But Tracy is not me, and I am not Tracy. We are separate individuals. Therefore, it was wrong of Tallyman to attack me because he had a disagreement with Tracy.

    I understand why there is so much anger here. We have all been hurt so deeply. And sometimes, that anger vents in the wrong place.

    I am also sorry that you are having difficulty staying afloat. Believe me, I know all too well what that is like. I sincerely hope things improve for you.

    Any rate, thanks for your comments, and I again apologize if I misread them. I wish you all my best.

    Doug

    FreePeace
    "The World is my country, and to do good, my religion." --Thomas Paine
    TruthQuest: http://beam.to/truthquest
    Who Am I? -How to Reinvent Yourself After Leaving the WTS

  • Tallyman
    Tallyman
    I have never been so vilely criticized by anyone in the way the Tallyman did.


    Dr.Feelgood,

    That is about as 'off the wall' as it comes.

    My first sentence to you, when YOU started this thread, was to say:
    "I don't know you, dude."

    It simply happened because Tracy has a link to my website in her profile. There is nothing wrong with this, nor is it prohibited by policy (to my knowledge).

    Yeah. Now, that's more like it. It all started when Schtinky chimed into a Scheeker thread, about, of all things - "politeness"... heeee!
    a thread Scheeker started after he "attacked" my speculation with his pissant trivializing obsessive-compulsive picking apart my general comments on a speculative Time magazine article.

    And I called him a technical asshole, which he'd proved himself to be.

    Well, Schtinky talks something about what "No Klass" is, and I give her a prime example of what "No Klass" is - shilling a Business website in a forum like this.

    Didn't know she was YOUR wife. Didn't know who Doug Kelley was.
    She was hawking a book by a Doug Kelley and an empowerment kult,
    when I made those comments and then YOU made it all about YOU
    and an ATTACK by me on YOU.

    So it didn't take me long, after a little more reading to figger out you and Schtinky were a Hubby and Wifey Kon Team.

    You say there was "nothing wrong with" Schtinky giving a link to the website she was shilling and that it wasn't against policy.
    I don't know.
    I just know that it is "Low Klass, No Klass" to do it, and said so.

    Then YOU, who I still didn't know, start this thread and pretend to be all bent out of shape... I say "pretend", because I guess you did it to promote yourself and your empowerment business,
    because you gave me "THANKS" and said it was all helpful to you.

    So, which is it I supposedly did to you?

    ATTACK YOU, or HELP YOU?

    To my best recall, I don’t believe that I have ever had an argument with Tallyman, and certainly not on the thread he was on. So for him to single me out was unprovoked BY ME.

    D'Oh!
    that's rite. see above. I've never communicated with you or know you.

    You "singled yourself" out, dude.
    And it was ALL for SELF-PROMOTION.
    And it is transparent as a new sheet of Pella Glass.

    To think that I provoked him simply because I wrote a book, is not reasonable. He was simply lashing out at Tracy. But Tracy is not me, and I am not Tracy. We are separate individuals. Therefore, it was wrong of Tallyman to attack me because he had a disagreement with Tracy.

    D'Oh! again.
    And 'see above' again.

    I didn't know you to start with FreePee, and I know you only a little better now, and alls I can say is: "Whadda Dope!"

    - - -

    This (above) was part of response you gave to Kent.
    I've known Kent for many years and he and I do NOT agree on a LOT
    of things, but we've worked together in the KultBusting Department,
    but I've never known Kent to lie, and I've always known him to keep
    his Bullshit Filter scrupulously clean.

    He sniffed you out, too.

    LOve, Tallyman

  • Kent
    Kent

    Hi Doug;

    It's always easy to misunderstand, and this is the general problem with communicating on computers. We don't hear the tone in the voice, we don't see the blink in the eye, and we don't see the expression in the face. Neither are we able to read the body-language.

    During the years I've been online I've seen this so many times I'm utter tired of thinking about it, because there is always someone that gets hurt in "wars" and fights.

    To the subject in question. Personal growth books can be everything from great to trash; as everything else in this world. Some people do have some experiences others can learn from - no questions about that. I have learned a lot from what I've been reading - and I'm glad I don't have to do EVERY mistake myself (even though it seems like that every once in a while).

    Maybe I get the chanse to read your book some day. Then I will be in better state to have a qualified opinion on it :)

    Regards

    Kent

  • Tallyman
    Tallyman

    VeniceIT cooed:

    Tally I luv ya man and know you've gone through a lot, and actually I think you'd like the book if you took the time to read it.
    Ven, I luv ya too, and you're a sweet kid, and I hate to think of you
    getting sucked into a Flaky New Age Motivational Empowerment Cult.

    Well say what you want Tally, but it's a GREAT BOOK. Personally I've benefited from Dougs training and willingness to help people and share.[/quote}

    This is what I don't get, Ven.
    You say you're a Christian. We talked about it in Yahoo Chat months ago.
    I'm a Christian, too.

    This guy Doug Kelley, TRASHES the Bible and the God of the Bible.
    How do you reconcile that?
    In one of his diatribes on his "Help" for x-jWs site, he expounds:

    This is just one of many examples in which the "God' of the Hebrew scriptures is nothing but a vile and wicked myth. It is blasphemous to portend that the Almighty, who has shown so much love and orderliness in creation, should ever act in such a devilish, animalistic and sub-human sort of way. It is far beneath the True God to deal with his children in such an unloving and gruesome manner.

    He goes on and on:

    Is the Bible Really the Word of God? Is the Bible Authentic? Was it Really Inspired? You Never Know Where the Truth Lies...
    and the one that got me:

    You've Learned the WTS's side, Why Not Consider the Other Side?

    IOW, Dr.Feelgood is like many of the x-Dubs, who once they exit the Watchtowercult, they throw away all faith in God or the Bible. Kelley says that there's the WTS's side, and then the "Other" side. You're either a Bible-Thumper or a Bible-Slammer.
    No middle ground. Black and White. Sounds just like the Watchtowercult.

    Master Kelley sez:

    Why We Do Not Need a Redeemer
    and even questions the existence of Jesus Christ:
    The Myth of the Historical Jesus
    C'mon Ven! Do you go for that schtuff??

    "Throw away the Bible and the God of the Bible and the Saviour of the Bible,
    and BUY MY BOOK for all you need to know about The Game Rules of Life".
    (to boil down what this dude is preaching)

    And Dr. Kelley says in his Life Story that he prayed to jehovah-Of-The-Watchtower, and did not get an answer, so he said PHOOEY! on all things "Faith-In-God-Of-The-Bible related.

    IOW, he was BURNED by the Kounterfeit god that the Watchtowerkult pukes,
    so "To Hell" with it all...

    And then he seethes about the "Atrocities of the Bible"...
    which seems to be a favorite subject of many around these parts.

    Sometimes I do have a hard time reconciling the Heavenly Father to whom
    Jesus prayed - and with the God of the Old Testament... but then again,
    I don't know all the facts, and I'm not going to rely on my faulty human
    reasoning to make judgments about God's "behavior"-
    mainly because I don't know the whole story and all the facts,
    and hey, I'm willing to give God "The Presumption of Innocence".

    I know, personally, the HIGH VALUE of that principle.
    Let's be patience and see what is revealed in due time, when all the facts
    come out, and then see if we view these cases recorded in the Bible as
    "Atrocities".

    Dr.Doug Kelley has already made that judgment, and you don't think all
    these new-found "ideas" have NOT warped his mind? ... and that that
    anti-God, anti-Bible attitude doesn't come across in his books?

    Atrocities, atrocities, ... just look at all the superfine pacifists
    who are now crying about the United States committing atrocities
    in this New War on Terrorism, of stray bombs hitting civilians,
    or all the things that can and do happen in wartime...
    and yet, this war is being fought in Self-Defense of this Nation,
    because these Terrorists Jokers are intent on KILLING us.

    America has even gone on the offensive and given the green light
    for assassinations and to take 'pre-emptive strikes' on the enemy,
    who is looking to preside over the Genocide (of us!)

    And Israel gets criticized for committing atrocities now,
    and as Dr.Kelley loudly proclaims, THOUSANDS of years ago.
    But, was THEIR national existence just as much at stake then, as now?
    Like ours?
    The Arabs want to Completely Destroy Israel and drive her into the sea.
    Israel doesn't even appear on their maps of the world.
    The Arabs want the Genocide of Israel.

    Israel is fighting today for national security and Israel fought her enemies
    thousands of years ago, for her national security... but that comes across
    as "Atrocities", according to Dr.Feelgood.

    I remember back in the early 1980s when Israel launched a Pre-Emptive Strike
    against Saddam Hussein's Iraq, and a Nuclear Reactor being built.
    Israel warned them, to cease and desist, or else.
    The Iraquis did not, and they had their Nuke Reactor destroyed by Israel.
    And many cried "Atrocity".

    Just think if Israel did not take that action, and the Nuclear Reactor
    was built and went online, and fissionable material was being produced...
    do you think Dictator Hussein would hesitate in the slightest to take
    that stuff to build a Fission Nuke Bomb and use it,
    or SELL IT to Al-Quaeda, to use against the United States?

    And then, Dr. Feelgood, demonstrating his Sheer Hypocrisy, at the very top
    of his Business Website, www.empowerthespirit.com, appears the New Logo:

    *

    I guess patriotism and to try to show customers you are patriotic
    is good for business, huh?

    Well, my oh my, that American Flag Logo/Symbol stands for the Terrorists'
    Strike on the United States on September 11, and to remember all the
    police and firemen and rescue workers and thousands of innocents
    who died in a Huge Atrocity committed by the ENEMIES of
    "The Great Satan" - the U.S. and "The Little Satan" - Israel.

    And the symbol stands for freedom and FIGHTING for freedom
    (the freedom for D.Kelley to practice his New Age Power Cult and make $$$)
    and going to WAR for freedom and having to KILL people for freedom,
    and be charged by IDIOTS for committing ATROCITIES during wartime, for freedom...
    yet, Dr.Doug bemoans the "Atrocities of the Bible".

    Damn Hypocrite!

    Any one that attacks someone who's trying to help people should stop and think about what they're doing or contributing.

    Well, which is it Ven? Look again at the title of this thread.
    Dr.Feelgood "THANKS" me for what I said about his New Age Shakedown Cult.
    Good for business. "Controversy is good", he said...
    and then he accuses me of committing the "most vile attack on him, ever".
    He didn't sound like he was kidding when he thanked me...
    What's the deal with this dude?

    "help people"? Dr.Doug is out to help hisself - this off his website(S):

    Coach, Professional, Master, Board Certified Hypnotist, M.HT & CSL

    [What the hey is a 'CSL'??]

    My Guarantee - I guarantee positive results

    CORRECT ALL HABIT PROBLEMS
    S.T.O.P. Smoking Program Fee: $299.00 which includes five personal hypnosis sessions and more. Click Here for complete info.

    [how about just praying FREE to God or even a Higher Power for will power
    and break the habit yourself, and keep the 3 Hundred Dollar Bills-
    even doctors and scientists attest to the effectiveness of prayer]

    Spring Specials!

    These Spring Special prices are in effect until May 1, 2002!

    • Save an additional $25 on 4 visits when you prepay! Now only $250!

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    [And Dr.Feelgood accepts VISA, Mastercard and all major credit cards]

    Brackets, mine.

    I don't understand why you accuse him on one hand of 'slapping himself on the back' and then ridicule him for not being famous or what ever, I'm confused.

    Ven, you must not have read when I said, he WAS famous, as evidenced by all
    the accolades and glowing testimonials...
    just not AS famous as the Heavy-Hitter Mo' Speakers who Command the GRAND fees.

    [quote]I think you just kind of over reacted a bit.


    If you take anything away from this, please don't think that.
    I reacted in way I usually do when my 'Bullshit Detector' goes off...

    Hey, how come no one criticizes me when I "attack" the Watchtowercult,
    'cause they are supposed to out there "helping" people for "free"...?
    Wait.
    I take that back.
    They do.

    Anywho, I'm kind of worried about you Ven, getting sucked into another Kult,
    if you are "buying" into that HOoey that Dr.Feelgood is slinging.

    Just mah 2 centavos.

    LOve, Tallyman

  • Tallyman
    Tallyman

    joelbear growled:

    Tally,
    Has anybody wasted any of their time loving you?
    Ouch!
    Now, joelBear, that was an especially meanie thing for you to say
    to moi, what with you being the cute cuddly bear everyone
    knows you to be.

    Tally,
    LOL. Won't be much chance of you spending any of your time trying to make anyone feel good, for free or for a price.

    Well, let's just say for the sake of your comments,
    that no one has EvEr WaStEd their time loving me,
    or that I have NeVeR SpEnT any of my time trying to make someone feel good.

    Why don't YOU try to make me feel good, by bringing me some of that "love" you've been re-learning back at the Kingdom Hall, since you joined back up with the Watchtowercult?

    Show me some of that Watchtowerlove, that I know the Fanatix must have showered you with when you returned to the cult fold, like the prodigal son.

    Will you?

    How come you won't even address my questions as to how things are going since you shocked the dickens out of everyone here by announcing that you were headed back to 'WatchtowerLand' ?

    You talked about "bullets" the other day...
    why don't you share one of those Watchtowercult Love BOMBS with me?
    Go ahead, detonate one of those bombs rite on mah head, rite now!

    Oh, yeah, how are the brothers and sisters dealing with your umm, certain proclivities and orientations? Have you been "rehabilitated"?

    LOve, Tallyman

  • Tallyman
    Tallyman

    (well, I'll post it again, since I missed one li'l quote bracket... sure miss the 'edit' feature...)

    VeniceIT cooed:

    Tally I luv ya man and know you've gone through a lot, and actually I think you'd like the book if you took the time to read it.
    Ven, I luv ya too, and you're a sweet kid, and I hate to think of you
    getting sucked into a Flaky New Age Motivational Empowerment Cult.

    Well say what you want Tally, but it's a GREAT BOOK. Personally I've benefited from Dougs training and willingness to help people and share.

    This is what I don't get, Ven.
    You say you're a Christian. We talked about it in Yahoo Chat months ago.
    I'm a Christian, too.

    This guy Doug Kelley, TRASHES the Bible and the God of the Bible.
    How do you reconcile that?
    In one of his diatribes on his "Help" for x-jWs site, he expounds:

    This is just one of many examples in which the "God' of the Hebrew scriptures is nothing but a vile and wicked myth. It is blasphemous to portend that the Almighty, who has shown so much love and orderliness in creation, should ever act in such a devilish, animalistic and sub-human sort of way. It is far beneath the True God to deal with his children in such an unloving and gruesome manner.

    He goes on and on:

    Is the Bible Really the Word of God? Is the Bible Authentic? Was it Really Inspired? You Never Know Where the Truth Lies...
    and the one that got me:

    You've Learned the WTS's side, Why Not Consider the Other Side?

    IOW, Dr.Feelgood is like many of the x-Dubs, who once they exit the Watchtowercult, they throw away all faith in God or the Bible. Kelley says that there's the WTS's side, and then the "Other" side. You're either a Bible-Thumper or a Bible-Slammer.
    No middle ground. Black and White. Sounds just like the Watchtowercult.

    Master Kelley sez:

    Why We Do Not Need a Redeemer
    and even questions the existence of Jesus Christ:
    The Myth of the Historical Jesus
    C'mon Ven! Do you go for that schtuff??

    "Throw away the Bible and the God of the Bible and the Saviour of the Bible,
    and BUY MY BOOK for all you need to know about The Game Rules of Life".
    (to boil down what this dude is preaching)

    And Dr. Kelley says in his Life Story that he prayed to jehovah-Of-The-Watchtower, and did not get an answer, so he said PHOOEY! on all things "Faith-In-God-Of-The-Bible related.

    IOW, he was BURNED by the Kounterfeit god that the Watchtowerkult pukes,
    so "To Hell" with it all...

    And then he seethes about the "Atrocities of the Bible"...
    which seems to be a favorite subject of many around these parts.

    Sometimes I do have a hard time reconciling the Heavenly Father to whom
    Jesus prayed - and with the God of the Old Testament... but then again,
    I don't know all the facts, and I'm not going to rely on my faulty human
    reasoning to make judgments about God's "behavior"-
    mainly because I don't know the whole story and all the facts,
    and hey, I'm willing to give God "The Presumption of Innocence".

    I know, personally, the HIGH VALUE of that principle.
    Let's be patience and see what is revealed in due time, when all the facts
    come out, and then see if we view these cases recorded in the Bible as
    "Atrocities".

    Dr.Doug Kelley has already made that judgment, and you don't think all
    these new-found "ideas" have NOT warped his mind? ... and that that
    anti-God, anti-Bible attitude doesn't come across in his books?

    Atrocities, atrocities, ... just look at all the superfine pacifists
    who are now crying about the United States committing atrocities
    in this New War on Terrorism, of stray bombs hitting civilians,
    or all the things that can and do happen in wartime...
    and yet, this war is being fought in Self-Defense of this Nation,
    because these Terrorists Jokers are intent on KILLING us.

    America has even gone on the offensive and given the green light
    for assassinations and to take 'pre-emptive strikes' on the enemy,
    who is looking to preside over the Genocide (of us!)

    And Israel gets criticized for committing atrocities now,
    and as Dr.Kelley loudly proclaims, THOUSANDS of years ago.
    But, was THEIR national existence just as much at stake then, as now?
    Like ours?
    The Arabs want to Completely Destroy Israel and drive her into the sea.
    Israel doesn't even appear on their maps of the world.
    The Arabs want the Genocide of Israel.

    Israel is fighting today for national security and Israel fought her enemies
    thousands of years ago, for her national security... but that comes across
    as "Atrocities", according to Dr.Feelgood.

    I remember back in the early 1980s when Israel launched a Pre-Emptive Strike
    against Saddam Hussein's Iraq, and a Nuclear Reactor being built.
    Israel warned them, to cease and desist, or else.
    The Iraquis did not, and they had their Nuke Reactor destroyed by Israel.
    And many cried "Atrocity".

    Just think if Israel did not take that action, and the Nuclear Reactor
    was built and went online, and fissionable material was being produced...
    do you think Dictator Hussein would hesitate in the slightest to take
    that stuff to build a Fission Nuke Bomb and use it,
    or SELL IT to Al-Quaeda, to use against the United States?

    And then, Dr. Feelgood, demonstrating his Sheer Hypocrisy, at the very top
    of his Business Website, www.empowerthespirit.com, appears the New Logo:

    *

    I guess patriotism and to try to show customers you are patriotic
    is good for business, huh?

    Well, my oh my, that American Flag Logo/Symbol stands for the Terrorists'
    Strike on the United States on September 11, and to remember all the
    police and firemen and rescue workers and thousands of innocents
    who died in a Huge Atrocity committed by the ENEMIES of
    "The Great Satan" - the U.S. and "The Little Satan" - Israel.

    And the symbol stands for freedom and FIGHTING for freedom
    (the freedom for D.Kelley to practice his New Age Power Cult and make $$$)
    and going to WAR for freedom and having to KILL people for freedom,
    and be charged by IDIOTS for committing ATROCITIES during wartime, for freedom...
    yet, Dr.Doug bemoans the "Atrocities of the Bible".

    Damn Hypocrite!

    Any one that attacks someone who's trying to help people should stop and think about what they're doing or contributing.

    Well, which is it Ven? Look again at the title of this thread.
    Dr.Feelgood "THANKS" me for what I said about his New Age Shakedown Cult.
    Good for business. "Controversy is good", he said...
    and then he accuses me of committing the "most vile attack on him, ever".
    He didn't sound like he was kidding when he thanked me...
    What's the deal with this dude?

    "help people"? Dr.Doug is out to help hisself - this off his website(S):

    Coach, Professional, Master, Board Certified Hypnotist, M.HT & CSL

    [What the hey is a 'CSL'??]

    My Guarantee - I guarantee positive results

    CORRECT ALL HABIT PROBLEMS
    S.T.O.P. Smoking Program Fee: $299.00 which includes five personal hypnosis sessions and more. Click Here for complete info.

    [how about just praying FREE to God or even a Higher Power for will power
    and break the habit yourself, and keep the 3 Hundred Dollar Bills-
    even doctors and scientists attest to the effectiveness of prayer]

    Spring Specials!

    These Spring Special prices are in effect until May 1, 2002!

    • Save an additional $25 on 4 visits when you prepay! Now only $250!

    • Save $25 on the S.T.O.P. Smoking program! Now only $274!

    • Save $15 on single sessions! Now only $60!

    [And Dr.Feelgood accepts VISA, Mastercard and all major credit cards]

    Brackets, mine.

    I don't understand why you accuse him on one hand of 'slapping himself on the back' and then ridicule him for not being famous or what ever, I'm confused.

    Ven, you must not have read when I said, he WAS famous, as evidenced by all
    the accolades and glowing testimonials...
    just not AS famous as the Heavy-Hitter Mo' Speakers who Command the GRAND fees.

    I think you just kind of over reacted a bit.

    If you take anything away from this, please don't think that.
    I reacted in way I usually do when my 'Bullshit Detector' goes off...

    Hey, how come no one criticizes me when I "attack" the Watchtowercult,
    'cause they are supposed to out there "helping" people for "free"...?
    Wait.
    I take that back.
    They do.

    Anywho, I'm kind of worried about you Ven, getting sucked into another Kult,
    if you are "buying" into that HOoey that Dr.Feelgood is slinging.

    Just mah 2 centavos.

    LOve, Tallyman

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Hey Tom Old Boy,

    This acrimony I've seen on the board lately has really hurt me. I became so sick with the Tina/Julie/larc/Amazing stuff that I couldn't read more than a few posts. I know all of those folks and they're all GOOD people. Now this stuff with you and Doug.

    Just for the record for those on the board that don't know, I know Tom pretty damn well and I'd do anything in my power to help help, and I know he would do the same for me. He's a Christian and I'm not, but so WHAT? We have the freedom to believe whatever we want to believe now that we are no longer under krappy kult kontrol (sorry, Tom for the theft of intellectual property!).

    And just for the record, I know Doug Kelly damn well. In fact, I met him almost forty years ago when he was a baby. His father was my presiding overseer and my sister baby sat Doug when he was a child. Doug has also visited me twice in the last few years and we've spent some great time catching up on stuff together. Doug's dad was one of those kinds of presiding overseers who went out of his way to help his flock. He was kindly (albeit a bit stiff) and had a great sense of humor. His son Doug is just like him in that regard.

    So since I know both of you pretty damn well, I'm going to say this, "quit this shit right now!" Do so only for my sake, if you must, but please stop. It hurts me to no end to see this kind of stuff go on between good people.

    I've read Doug's book. He didn't sell it to me, he gave it to me. It's a great book, sort of like a version of "Chicken Soup For the Soul." There is absolutely nothing cultist about it, and I can say for an absolute fact that Doug wants to gain followers about as much as I want to go out in field service selling Watchtower Crap(tm).

    I do think that it would be wise for Doug to tone down the way he promotes his book, but not because the book shouldn't be promoted, but because ex dubs are very skeptical of such stuff.

    Now, let's let it drop or I'll have to stalk you both and mess you both up!

    Farkel

  • Tallyman
    Tallyman

    Fark,

    Like Mammy in the "Li'l Abner" comic strip used to say:

    "Ah has spoken!"

    So, far as I'm concerned, it ends rite heah.

    Rite heah!

    Period

    .

    LOve, Tallyman

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Hi Tom Tallyocious,

    Im still an independent as of this point sugar plum.

    Farkel says you're a Christian. Sure comes across in your posts, you sound just like Christ, like word for word even.

    At least you're not subtle.

    Doesn't matter. Just love all the joy spreading you do around here. Are you this fun in person?

    Huggybear hugs

    Joel

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Oh and Tally,

    Please share with us what you read and have faith in that makes you the lovely person that you are? Man, its a miracle worker whatever it is. Sure has brought you to a state of bliss.

    Joel

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