More Sept. 11 Stuff

by SYN 24 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  SYN

  Sigh...I don't think I was clear enough on a couple of the points, sorry, the post was typed in a bit of a hurry.

  * Experts who watched videos of the planes said they were moving at nearly 600 miles/hour (bloody fast for a 747 class plane)
  * Well, the boxcutters thing is up for debate. It just sounds unlikely that a hijacker could take over a plane of nearly 100 people with a single knife.
  * A machine could fly those planes better than an experienced pilot, is what I'm trying to say. Those things they have on the planes are quite simple, really. Give them a GPS coordinate and an altitude, and they'll fly there, doing *any* hardcore turning necessary to achieve the goal of reaching their destination. Installing electronics like that would have been a piece of cake.
  * I'm not denying that there was a lot of hot jet fuel, all I wanted to say was that the buildings exploded very neatly. Besides, this is one of my weaker arguments, and may just have been a coincidence.
  * No, what I meant by the Bush in Florida thing was, that he didn't seem to care about the WTC when he was doing his thing at that school. He waited half an hour to leave. Sounds like someone who cares about the nation to you?
  * Sure, anyone can fly a 747 (with a bit of training) but you need to know the plane to make it do the stunts those boys apparently did. That, or you've gotta have remote control piloting. It wouldn't even have had to be remote control. Somebody could have programmed the computers on the plane to home in on the WTC buildings on the ground, and the programs would just have kicked in automatically - no ground control needed for that.
  * Kennedy Jr. crashed over the sea, which is classified as a very non-densely populated region. Therefore he had no assistance. But that's an entire conspiracy theory in itself, which I'll go into with you privately at a later stage
  * According to accounts from people in the planes before they hit, they only killed a couple of people in the plane, then they herded everyone to the back of the planes and said they should call their relatives.

  The earlier in the forenoon you take the sun bath, the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing. - The Golden Age
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  SYN

  I dig being able to talk with smart conspiracy theorists than myself...thx Dubla, you've brought me down to Earth again...but you must admit, at least some of my points are valid, right?

  The earlier in the forenoon you take the sun bath, the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing. - The Golden Age
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  SixofNine

  * Well, the boxcutters thing is up for debate. It just sounds unlikely that a hijacker could take over a plane of nearly 100 people with a single knife.

  I surmised that the highjackings had been pulled off by more than one person, perhaps several, using something other than guns, probably knives of some sort, within 15 minutes of seeing the second plane hit.

  You've started believing and stopped thinking Syn. It's a sad thing to watch.
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  bboyneko

  Garlic in no way shape or form wards off anthrax, thats a dumb urban legend. I'm more interested in the fact that many people reported seeing two planes at the pentagon, some sort of transport plane flying over the plane that crashed into the pentagon, I also heard reports in the news right when this attack happened that the plane that crashed in PA was being tailed by fighter jets. I think the PA plane was shot down but the government decided it better for moral if they let the public think some heros on the plan wrestled controls away from the terrorists (and then nose-dived it into the ground???)

  -Dan
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  dubla

  syn-

  * Experts who watched videos of the planes said they were moving at nearly 600 miles/hour (bloody fast for a 747 class plane)

  well, i guess im still a bit lost on this point......so youre saying only very experienced pilots could maneuver a plane at 600 miles an hour? i suppose id have to do some looking into this before making specific statements, but again, from what ive read, the pilots in those planes were more than trained enough to do exactly what they did.....crash into large buildings.

  * Well, the boxcutters thing is up for debate. It just sounds unlikely that a hijacker could take over a plane of nearly 100 people with a single knife.

  i suppose its debateable, but it sounds pretty likely to me. think about it, before september 11th, what were people inclined to do in a hijacking situation? if you were on a plane, and three men stood up, one saying he had a bomb, and the other two were busy stabbing flight attendants, would your first reaction be to tackle the hijackers? granted, my first thoughts too were, "geesh, 100 people and no one did anything???"....but when you really think about it, fear freezes people, especially in a hijacking situation, and im sure it all happened so fast that the passengers were still in shock. im sure they were banking on the fear factor.

  * I'm not denying that there was a lot of hot jet fuel, all I wanted to say was that the buildings exploded very neatly.

  since you are insinuating there were planted blasts from inside the building, think about this for sec: you are suggesting that not only were the planes guided by remote control into the buildings, but that they were also guided so precisely that they hit specific FLOORS of these buildings, and at the moment they hit these specific pre-determined skyscraper floors, blasts were triggered inside of the buildings to coincide with the planes hitting!! now stop and say that to yourself three more times. i dont think i really need to explain how ridiculous of an idea this is.

  * No, what I meant by the Bush in Florida thing was, that he didn't seem to care about the WTC when he was doing his thing at that school. He waited half an hour to leave. Sounds like someone who cares about the nation to you?

  admittedly, im speaking on something i am not an expert on here, but ill try and respond anyhow. its my understanding that after the first plane hit he did stick around the school for a time, but at the time it was believed to be an accidental crash. im not sure if its standard procedure for a president to rush back to washington after a plane crash or not, but id guess its probably not. now, after he learned of the second plane crash, and realized we were under attack, he moved his ass. again, im not positive on the time line, and im sure i could track it down quite simply if i felt like putting the extra research time into it. if my version is wrong, feel free to correct me.

  * Sure, anyone can fly a 747 (with a bit of training) but you need to know the plane to make it do the stunts those boys apparently did.

  again, from what ive read and watched (albeit on "mainstream" television), they didnt do anything extremely difficult on those planes. yes they made sharp banking turns (did you know they almost accidentally crashed into one another in the process?), but its not like they were out there doing barrel rolls and skywriting "happy birthday tiffany" across the ny skyline.

  * Kennedy Jr. crashed over the sea, which is classified as a very non-densely populated region. Therefore he had no assistance.

  well, i was using that as an example, but ive heard of numerous pilots losing contact with ground control, only to be found later in a heap of twisted metal somewhere. i dont think the time differntial was that significant here, and remember, standard protocol for hijackings has always been a very passive stance....let the plane go, talk it over, etc.......this has changed now obviously.

  * According to accounts from people in the planes before they hit, they only killed a couple of people in the plane, then they herded everyone to the back of the planes and said they should call their relatives.

  well, if they only killed a couple of people, then i guess i could see how they were considered to have been "being kind".

  aa
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  SYN

  The problem with a lot of this stuff is that I can't just draw on hard scientific evidence for most of it. The facts speak for themselves - but the question is, are they the truth? I'd love to know...and you still haven't replied to any of my remote control or on-board control circuitry responses.

  The fact that the planes nearly flew into each other suggests to me that they were, in fact, programmed to fly along certain routes, because two separate flight controller hardware sets would just have ignored the other plane. Or maybe their courses had been mapped out so exactly beforehand that they knew the planes would fly very close to each other, but not collide.

  The ones in NY weren't flown with any great degree of skill - I'll give you that. But the one that hit the Pentagon - that was a doozy. Eyewitness accounts (thousands of people) say he executed a 360 degree turn and flew into the ground while accelerating. Why the hell would somebody do that? Surely the Taliban would have wanted to take out the side with all the top military commanders in it?

  The earlier in the forenoon you take the sun bath, the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing. - The Golden Age
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  heathen

  I have seen similiar posts on the 911. It seems like conspiracies are flying out everyones ass.THanks for the link to conspiracy planet as I enjoy some good theories an conjecture as to why our government is caught off guard on situations like this .you made some good arguments ,fact can sometimes be stranger than fiction so sometimes tragedies like this can be orchestrated whith the public totally naive as to ryme or reason and I for one choose to be on allert to any and all explanations no matter how far out there.I'm surprised noone mentioned the idea of aliens invading causing things like this to happen then when all chaos insues on the planet they miraculously appear solving all our political problems only to gain our trust ,then enslave us and use us for their sick twisted biological experiments .wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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  JeffT

  There is a lot of conjecture that the plane that hit the Pentagon was in fact supposed to hit the white house, they were circling because the they couldn't pick out from the air. The Pentagon is BIG building so they took it instead.

  Accelerating while going down is easy. Push the yoke forward and firewall the throttles.

  Who knows who is working on which side of the Penatagon? Usually the brass is spread all over the building because each service has its own part of the building.

  As to remote control and cirtuitry etc, there is no evidence for it. These were standard commercial airliners. They have sophisticated electronics but nothing like what you are talking about. And fitting something in while in the air is going to be a bit difficult, as it would involve opening access panels on the outside of the plane.
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  GWEEDO

  Syn

  if you like consiracy theories, then check out some of Ian Goddards shit.

  heres his journal:

  http://users.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm

  check out flight 800

  The guy aint dumb...but is he right?
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  JeffT

  I just got this from a friend on another board who works in the NYC banking industry:

  I just read through this part of the rant and have a few things to add.

  In regard to #22.

  I used to be the analyst for Buzzy's old firm Alex. Brown, Securities and have met him on several occations.

  Buzzy, to my knowledge never worker for Deutsche Bank. He was CEO of Alex. Brown when it was bought by Banker Trust Corp.

  Bankers Trust was then inturn bought by Deutsche Bank, I believe after Buzzy left, a few years later. I could be wrong, but at the very least there is certainly no large connection between Buzzy and DB, and much less a reason for him to single them out as someone to profit through any type of illegal trading. And the remnant of the firm that Buzzy ran is not primarilly involved in managing money of the wealthiest of DB's clients, it was/is an investment bank.

  Beleive me, I don't need any reason to slam DB, but this is just crazy. Tell your firend at least one thing has been debunked by personal knowledge.