This made me think of a story one of my closest friends told me. When she was sitting in sunday school as a 9 year old they would tell everyone that "Jesus cares about them and answers their prayers." She told me that she would just think, 'He didn't care that I didnt have food for the past 3 days.' Or 'Jesus didn't care that I ate rotten potatoes last night.' She was not angry about any of this at the time. It was just a matter of fact understanding.
No atheist in A fox hole.
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Diest
Jam,
MeanMustard was asking why you capitalize the word A or An in your sentence. (A and An are indefinite articles)
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FlyingHighNow
Jam, look into books like those written by Melvin Morse M. D. that talk about research & evidence about near death experiences &death bed visions,etc. There is field of science that studies such phenomena. Many find it very comforting. Dr. Morse isn't the only scientist in this field. He was a sceptic until one of his young patients died clinically on the operating table, then not only told of what she saw happening toher but drew a picture ofit all. That prompted him to go into this field of study. I came upon his books accidentally at the library.
Native AMericans tend to blame human beings for ther inhumanity and not the Great Spirit. That is how I view war: a product of human fear, greed and strong quest for resources and power.
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jam
Thanks talesin, very enlightening and thanks to all
for your comments. A lot to digest. I really appreciate the
frankness from you folks. Thanks again.
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FlyingHighNow
The most liberating thing about letting go of the (not the) "truth" is the realization that I don't need to know all the answers to every one of life's questions. For me there is beauty in some of life's mystery.
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jam
Diest, thanks "Why I capitalize the word A or An". Beat
the hell out of me. Grammar have never been one of my
strong point. Thanks for bring that to my attention.
Flying highnow: While serving where the need is great,
our territory covered the Pawnee reservation. I had some
interesting conversation on the reservation. And thanks
I will look into M. Morse research.
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jamiebowers
Jam, I do not mean any disrespect to you, especially since you prayed for your life while serving in Viet Nam. But what bothers me about prayer, and the reason I stopped doing it, is because I wonder why everyone's prayers aren't answered. For instance, why don''t all of the people fighting in wars survive? Another example is a good friend of mine who is a born again Christian. She's survived a little more than a year after being diagnosed with a cancer that kills 80% of the women her age who have it. Did God hate that 80%? She thinks Jesus spared her life.What makes her so special and the other 80% rotten enough to kill?
On November 22, 2010 my husband was dead for a full five minutes, (proven by data retrieved from his pacemaker). The only reason he didn't have brain damage was because the CPR we did kept enough blood circulated to his brain. He was revived by a defibulator, and thankfully, alive today. He saw no white light and wasn't greeted by his deceased parents, siblings, and friends. He remembered nothing of that terrible Monday morning or the weekend before it.
I didn't pray during that awful ordeal or during his two-week hospitalization and surgery to install a pacemaker and defibulator. Instead I spent the whole time, from beginning to end, begging him not to leave this earth and leave me behind. It never dawned on me to pray, yet I'm in the same situation as you. I call myself agnostic, because I don't have the balls to be atheist, and sometimes I'm not even sure of agnosticism.
I guess we just have to take life one moment at a time and learn from every experience.
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FlyingHighNow
My grandson is an atheist who believes prayer has power through the positive energy it creates. The more people doing it, the more power it generates. Dr. Wayne Dyer thinks alone those lines. He's pretty interesting. Most PBS stations run his lectures during pledge drives.
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FlyingHighNow
Flying highnow: While serving where the need is great,
our territory covered the Pawnee reservation. I had some
interesting conversation on the reservation. And thanks
I will look into M. Morse research.
I'd love to hear about your experiences and conversations. Tribes vary on their beliefs. I've commented before about the Taos Pueblo Indians who have their own faith which is intertwined with the Roman Catholic Church, which is the only church there on their reservation. Their feelings are very positive about their unique blend of spirituality.
There are many encouraging, enlightening books about synchronicity and coincidences that many feel are miraculous. I am reading one now. I'll have to post the title tomorrow.
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cofty
My grandson is an atheist who believes prayer has power through the positive energy it creates.
Which demonstrates how little the word "atheist" actually tells us about a persons beliefs.
If you are going to research near death experiences you need to include the work done by Susan Blackmore. She committed half her career to prove NDE scientifically but was forced by the evidence to conclude otherwise.