Dont blame the witnesses, its the Bible... (page 3)

Solace

Kenny:
I agree!
I have also brought that up.
Maybe God could care less who has the correct interpretation of the scriptures. Maybe whats important is how we treat people in the process.
I do agree mostly with that 10 commandment thing though. I think that was pretty self explanatory.

ChristFollower

The Bible did not teach the Catholic inquisition. In fact, those that suffered were from the Catholics were Reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin. The Reformed faith is still alive and well with us today.

Besides, am I responsible for what people did in the name of God hundreds of years ago? Of course not. Christians are not responsible for what the WT did in the name of God either.

I believe in God, and I believe in the Bible. You know what it says? It says to love your neighbor. What's wrong with that? If loving your neighbor and God is a crime, then I guess I'm a problem. Oooh. That dangerous Christian! He loves me! He must stop! It also says to not kill, to not covet, to not steal. Do you have a problem with not stealing?

If there is a satan, don't you think he would use those from within the church to most harm the church? All of the abuses you think of are not caused by God, or His word - they are caused by sinful men.
The strongest enemies of the church came from within the church.

Read Roman 11:2-5. "God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? "Lord, they have killed Your prophets, they have torn down your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life". But what is the divine response to him? "I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal". In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the bsis of workds, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

When I left the WT, I was left thinking that there must be no truth (after all, the WT bad-mouthed Christendom so much what hope could there be?) The answer was, that even if everyone else would do what was wrong, I would do what was right. God has true followers in the earth. They don't belong to a single church, or organization. The reason why they don't, is because Jesus is in charge and leading the universal invisible church. The universal, invisible, church has been a teaching of the Church from the beginning.

There are followers of Jesus in Baptist churches, Lutheran churches, and Presbyterian churches.

There are also liberal Christians that aren't even Christian! Liberalism is what the WT criticizes and then paints a broad brush over all Christianity.

You want to know what is true? Read the historic Christian creeds. Jesus said that he would never leave his followers. It is a WT lie that Jesus abondoned the church for 2,000. Jesus has been with the church, and has been guiding it - the creeds are formalized systematic theology taught by His followers down through the ages.

Here is a link to the historic Christian creeds:

http://www.carm.org/creeds.htm

God bless

JT

Christfollwer says:

"Jesus has been with the church"

One simply question, Which One?

Double Edge

GWEEDO: your quote: "Well...I was just talking to God on the phone just now (As you do. He's pretty accessible these days). He told me he didn't write the book. Told me I should go read the Koran instead..."

Hate to break the news, but God called me to say that you were talking to a God impersonator named Mohammed.

GentlyFeral

tyydyy,

What was God trying to tell me by his silence? Am I not worthy of his attention? Have I pissed him off? Is he busy using the privy?

You know, I got the same answer six years ago when I told him I was never going to preach again.

I think you've embarrassed him, brother.

GentlyFeral

"There were cockroaches of course,
but very clean cockroaches."
-- Julia Vinograd

rem

Gumby,

>>Has god answered anything in a verifiable way during the last 500 years????
>In what manner do you think he should answer?

Clearly.

rem

"We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain

butalbee

Witnesses use the bible for their own benefit, and translate it to suit the needs of the constant mind control they demand of their faithful and discreet slaves. If the bible was written by God himself, as the WT teaches, how can MAN think he could correctly translate it's true meaning? Esp. how the WT deciphers the bible playing leap frog.

TR

YK,

You should be grateful that Jehovah temporarily allows fools and perverts to twist his word and otherwise misuse every gift he has ever given mankind, otherwise your kind would have been exterminated long ago. / You Know

And, this temporary condition is how many thousands of years?[8>] What a load.

TR

I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way.
--Robert Frost, 1935

ChristFollower

JT,

"Jesus has been with the church"
One simply question, Which One?

Good question. I get that a lot from ex-JW's. I wondered the same thing. You see, there is one faith, and there is one "church". But by "church" I (and Christians through the centuries) are not referring to a building, or even a building that contains a particular set of believers. The word "catholic" simply means universal. Within the universal church can be found the core teachings of Christianity.

The core teachings of Christianity are the Trinity, bodily resurrection of Jesus, the virgin birth, the physical second coming of Jesus, the Universal church, and so on. Without these core teachings there can be no Christianity.

Now, there can be denominational distinctives. My denomination believes in infant baptism, but we would not say that Baptists are not Christian because they do not baptise infants. We would say they are not correct, but it doesn't affect salvation, and is irrelevant to the Faith.

Denominations are what existed when the apostles lived. The gentile churches did not have to practice Jewish customs to be a good Christian, while the Jewish church could practice Jewish customs and still be good Christians. They were denominational distinctives that were irrelevant to the core of the Christian faith.

The Church universal has held to the core teachings of Christianity down through the centuries, in all cultures. This is part of the Church universal.

There are Christians in Baptist churches, Lutheran churches, Presbyterian churches, and even Catholic churches. But, not all people in the church are Christians. Do you see the difference? It is invisible in that individuals from different denominations, and different countries, and different times (ages) are part of the one body of Christ. Jesus sees it as one church from his viewpoint in heaven.

sleepy

So you can do what you like, and still be a follower of Jesus?
And who,s interpretation is that?

Dont blame the witnesses, its the Bible...

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