Not a bad little hangout! (page 2)

plmkrzy

Well I won't be running to live in the old White House. Clean 132 rooms all by myself? No thank you!
I'll just build me a little 2 or 3 room cottage by the sea and be very happy.
I'd rather dream then live out the rest of my life pissed off at the world for sure.

Englishman

The house has three-stories, with 9,150 square feet of floor space. It's got 12 rooms, and 6 bathrooms.

Yadirf,

You been fantasising about my home aquarium again?

Englishman.

Yadirf

Mister Biggs

It kinda looks like Beth Sarim.

Even if there were a comparison the PURPOSES of the two houses do not compare. The one is carnal, the other spiritual.
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A house called Beth Sarim.

Below is the actual deed of this house, which Rutherford had built (in San Diego, California). Click here ( http://www.freeminds.org/video/vlc356.html ) for a movie presentation of what the house looked like from all quarters. Of course no one should pay any attention to all the introductory apostate hype/tone you'll hear, and read about here below.

Insofar as my own suspicions, I tend to think that Rutherford strategically had this built as a place of refuge for himself and/or all officers of the Society if the need arose, while at the same time being true to his expectations that certain men of the Bible were near to being resurrected and could live there after they returned (even as referred to in the deed below). Rutherford, due to his fearless outspokenness in condemning Christendom and the Devil's political system, was a most unpopular person in the world's eye. All should try to imagine themselves having walked in his shoes, assuming the responsibilities of his post! Given the fact that, as he faithfully bore the burdens that come with being President of the WTS, he put his whole being into carrying on with what Russell had started (once having put his hand to the plow he NEVER once looked back; Luke 9:62), I can't find it in MY heart to fault the man for having had this beautiful home built. As a matter of fact I can't imagine ANYONE in his day being more worthy of having such a magnificent place to flee to for relaxation and relief, and perhaps die in, than this man. When it's considered how exorbitant that many of the Clergy of Christendom live, is it really too much for a leading TRUE servant of the Lord to have this place, called Beth Sarim, particularly when the revenue allowed for it? Personally, I think not! -- Yadirf.
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/christianzone/bethsar2.htm
Beth Sarim - a copy of the deeds

Below is a copy of the deeds to Beth-Sarim. Despite their claim that Beth-Sarim was built EXCLUSIVELY for the use of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc etc, in the 3rd paragraph it can be clearly seen that Joseph Rutherford is mentioned as being the person whose benefit the property was built for!
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DEED
(Deed book 1741)
J. Baker, Deputy Recorder
(page 69)
Robert J. Martin, a single and unmarried person of 117 Adams Street, Brooklyn, New York, for and in consideration of the sum of Ten Dollars (10.00) does hereby grant, bargain and sell unto Joseph F. Rutherford of 124 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, New York for and during his life on earth and thereafter to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, a corporation created and organized under the laws of the State of Pennsylvania and maintaining it's chief operating offices at 124 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, New York, and for the purposes hereinafter set forth.
page 70
All that real property situated in Kensington Heights, County of San Diego, State of California, bounded and described as follows, to wit: Lot One Hundred Ten (110) and Lot One Hundred Eleven (111) of Kensington Heights, Unit No. 2, in the County of San Diego, State of California, according to Map thereof To: 1912: filed in the offices of the County Recorder of said San Diego County May 24, 1926;
TO HAVE AND TO HOLD THE ABOVE GRANTED AND DESCRIBED PREMISES unto him, the said Joseph F. Rutherford for his exclusive possession, and benefit for and during his life on earth and at the end of said limited estate then to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society is trust to be used for the purposes herein set forth, to wit: The granter at the request of the said Joseph F. Rutherford who is President of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and General Manager, thereof makes this provision and condition as set forth in this deed.
Both the grantor and the grantee, the said Joseph F. Rutherford are fully persuaded from the Bible Testimony, which is the word of Jehovah God, extraneous evidences that God's kingdom is now in course of establishment and that it will result beneficially to the peoples of earth; that governing power and authority will be invisible to men but that Kingdom of God will have visible representatives on the earth who will have charge of the affairs of the nations under the supervision of the invisible ruler Christ; that among those who will thus be the faithful representatives and visible governors of the world will be David, who was once King over Israel; and Gideon, and Barak, and Samson, and Jepthae, and Joseph, formerly the ruler of Egypt, and Samuel the prophet and other faithful men who were named with approval in the Bible at Hebrews the eleventh chapter. The condition herein is that the said Watch Tower and Tract Society shall hold said title perpetually in trust for the use of any or all of the men named as representatives of God's Kingdom on earth and that such men shall have possession and use of said property herein above described as they may deem for the best interest for the work in which they are engaged.
This property has been acquired and the improvements built thereon at the instance and under the direction of the said Joseph R. Rutherford and dedicated to Jehovah God and to His King Christ who is the rightful ruler of the earth and for the express purpose of being used by (page 70 cont.) those who are servants of Jehovah God. For this reason the provision is made in this deed that the property shall be forever used for the purpose subject to any one who possesses that may have been placed thereupon. IT IS FURTHER PROVIDED that if the said JOSEPH F. RUTHERFORD while alive on the earth shall by lease, deed or contract provide that any other person or persons connected with the said Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society shall have the right to reside on said premises until the appearing of David or some of the other men mentioned in the Eleventh Chapter of Hebrews as above set forth every such person or persons so designated by the said Joseph F. Rutherford is such lease or other paper writing shall have the right and privilege of residing on said premises until the same be taken possession of by David or some of the other men herein named and this property and premises being dedicated to Jehovah and the use of His kingdom it shall be used as such forever. Any persons appearing to take possession of said premises shall first prove and identify themselves to the proper officers of said Society as the person or persons described in Hebrews Chapter eleven and in this deed.
IN WITNESS THEREOF, I the said Robert J. Martin and the said Joseph F. Rutherford have hereunto signed our names this 24th day of December A.D. 1929.
WITNESSES: Robert J. Martin
Donald Wialett
Joseph F. Rutherford
Bonnie Boyd
State of New York County of Kings On this 24th day of December A. D. 1929
(Notary seal)

Amazing

Hi Yadirf: Impressive. Wealth and mansions have little to do with lording it over people ... Jesus promised many mansions (Abodes) in heaven to his followers ... and I can't imagine God living in the heavenly Ghettos. Then, I saw Beth Sarim, being reminded of its grandure ... far better then the VP Mansion ... and so I think maybe you are right ... living in the Big House = Lording it over people.

CoolBreeze

Yadirf, is your tounge firmly in cheek when you defend this drunken scoudral of a man? Or are you just taking a big bite of that shit sandwich you're being served in due season? If the later, where should I send a mint?

Anton

Yadirf

Amazing

You're a specialist at twisting things around. Seems to come with being an apostate.

Yadirf

CoolBreeze

There were a lot of people in those days that "used" liquor to ease physical pain. My own father was one of them, but I never viewed him as a drunk. You're a typical apostate asshole, if you don't mind me being frank as you've been about it.

jayhawk1

Yes, the Vice President has a big house. I am not really sure what your point is. Every wealthy man or woman has one or several big houses. For crying out loud, do you expect Mr. Chaney to say no, I will live in a two bedroom, one bath house? I would love to live in a house like that, but I would not want the weight of the world on my shoulders, like Mr. Chaney does.

Regarding Beth Sarim, I could really care less. The Watchtower Society sold it soon after Rutherford's death anyway, so the fact that it was once a Watchtower property is pointless. The Watchtower Society sold it some 60 years ago. Can we find something newer than Beth Sarim to talk about?

Is this a light saber in my pocket or am I just happy to see you?

"Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

Yadirf

jaySquawk

Okay, for your benefit I'll say it again:

As I considered the pictures in the magazine I thought of the scripture (Luke 22:25) where Jesus reminded his disciples: "The Kings of the nations lord it over them.... -- Yadirf.

All one has to do is look around and see that ALL worldly leaders require luxurious accommodations etc. Do you actually think many of them would want the job if they weren't promised all the luxuries that come with it? In contrast, Rutherford would've remained President even if he had to opperate out of a hut.

Can we find something newer than Beth Sarim to talk about? -- JaySquawk.

Okay, so you're back to wanting to act like an jerk again. You expressed regrets for being that way one time before and promised that you'd be a nice guy after that. Good luck!

teejay

Here I was thinking the V.P. lived in a trailer 'round back of the white house. Go figure!

Not a bad job perk. Maybe I'll send a resume...

Detective,

I'd vote for you.

Doh!

We don't vote for the Veeps!!

Um..... never mind.

Not a bad little hangout!

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