1 Timothy 2:5,6: Maybe the Greatest JW Travesty

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  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    This is what they say:-

    *** w89 8/15 30-1 Questions From Readers ***
    Questions From Readers
    • Is Jesus the Mediator only for spirit-anointed Christians or for all mankind, since 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 speaks of him as the “mediator” who “gave himself a corresponding ransom for all”?

    The Bible contains both basic teachings and deep truths, which are solid food for study. One such study involves Jesus Christ’s role as Mediator. The apostle Paul wrote: “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times.”—1 Timothy 2:5, 6.
    To grasp what Paul is saying, we must first appreciate that the Bible sets out two destinies for faithful humans: (1) perfect life on a restored earthly paradise and (2) life in heaven for Christ’s “little flock,” numbering 144,000. (Luke 12:32; Revelation 5:10; 14:1-3) Christendom teaches that all good people go to heaven, which unscriptural position has colored the general view, so that Jesus is considered a go-between for all such people. What, though, does the Bible indicate?
    The Greek word me·si'tes, used for “mediator,” means ‘one who finds himself between two bodies or parties.’ It was a ‘many-sided technical term of Hellenistic legal language.’ Professor Albrecht Oepke (Theological Dictionary of the New Testament) says that me·si'tes was “one of the most varied technical terms in the vocabulary of Hellen[istic] law.”
    But why does the Bible use a legal term for Jesus’ mediatory role? As background, consider what Paul wrote about God’s Law given to Israel assembled before Mount Sinai: “It was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator.” (Galatians 3:19, 20) That mediator was Moses. He was the intermediary agent between Jehovah and the fleshly nation of Israel. An agent for what? For establishing a covenant, or legal contract, between God and the nation.
    Does this mean that there is a specific legal sense involved in Jesus’ role as Mediator? Yes. Note Paul’s comment at Hebrews 8:6. After speaking about the tabernacle and other typical representations under the Law covenant, he wrote: “Jesus has obtained a more excellent public service, so that he is also the mediator of a correspondingly better covenant, which has been legally established upon better promises.” The “better covenant” was the new covenant, which replaced the covenant mediated by Moses. (Hebrews 8:7-13) The new covenant was “legally established.” It laid the basis for some of Christ’s followers, beginning with the apostles, to gain “entry into the holy place,” heaven itself.—Hebrews 9:24; 10:16-19.
    There are other indications too of the legal nature of Jesus’ role as Mediator of the “new covenant.” Commenting on God’s promise at Psalm 110:4, Paul wrote: “To that extent also Jesus has become the one given in pledge [en'gy·os] of a better covenant.” (Hebrews 7:22) This is the only Biblical use of the word en'gy·os. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology says: “The engyos guaranteed that a legal obligation would be carried out.” So Jesus as Mediator of the new covenant serves as a legal pledge that “a better hope” would be realized.—Hebrews 7:19.
    Elsewhere Paul uses yet another word having a legal sense, ar·ra·bon', translated “token.” The same dictionary says: “The Gk. word arrab_on . . . is a legal concept from the language of business and trade.” Note how Paul used this legal term: “He who has anointed us is God. He has also put his seal upon us and has given us the token of what is to come, that is, the spirit, in our hearts.” (2 Corinthians 1:21, 22) Both other occurrences of ar·ra·bon' also deal with God’s anointing of Christians with spirit, bringing them an ‘everlasting reward or inheritance in the heavens’ as spirit sons of God.—2 Corinthians 5:1, 5; Ephesians 1:13, 14; see Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures.
    Clearly, then, the new covenant is not a loose arrangement open to all mankind. It is a carefully arranged legal provision involving God and anointed Christians.
    This should help us to understand 1 Timothy 2:5, 6. Here the reference to “mediator” was made after the five other occurrences of the word in letters written earlier. Hence, Timothy would have understood Jesus’ mediatorship to be His legal role connected with the new covenant. The Pastoral Epistles, by Dibelius and Conzelmann, acknowledges that at 1 Timothy 2:5 ‘the term “mediator” has a legal significance,’ and “although in this passage, in contrast to Heb 8:6, the [covenant] is not mentioned, one must nevertheless presuppose the meaning ‘mediator of the covenant,’ as the context shows.” Professor Oepke observes that 1 Timothy 2:5 presents Jesus as “the attorney and negotiator.”
    A modern-day illustration may help to clarify this, especially if you are not a spirit-anointed Christian. Think of a legal case in which an attorney is involved. His role may be not so much that of a lawyer arguing for justice as that of one who is mediating or bringing about a legal contract acceptable to and beneficial to two parties. Of course, you are not in that legal case, so in that sense he is not serving as your attorney. Yet he may be your very close friend who in other ways gives you valuable help.
    Sometimes an attorney’s work produces results that benefit many others. So it is with Jesus’ legal accomplishments as Mediator of the new covenant. It produces what the Law covenant did not, a heavenly “kingdom of priests.” (Exodus 19:6; 1 Peter 2:9) Thereafter anointed Christians in the Kingdom will work with Jesus from heaven to bring a blessing to “all nations of the earth.”—Genesis 22:18.
    The people of all nations who have the hope of everlasting life on earth benefit even now from Jesus’ services. Though he is not their legal Mediator, for they are not in the new covenant, he is their means of approaching Jehovah. Christ said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6) All who will gain life on earth must direct their prayers to Jehovah through Jesus. (John 14:13, 23, 24) Jesus also serves as a compassionate High Priest who is able to apply in their behalf the benefits of his sacrifice, allowing them to gain forgiveness and eventual salvation.—Acts 4:12; Hebrews 4:15.
    Consequently, 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 is not using “mediator” in the broad sense common in many languages. It is not saying that Jesus is a mediator between God and all mankind. Rather, it refers to Christ as legal Mediator (or, “attorney”) of the new covenant, this being the restricted way in which the Bible uses the term. Jesus is also a corresponding ransom for all in that covenant, both Jews and Gentiles, who will receive immortal life in heaven. The apostle John referred to these at 1 John 2:2. But he indicated that others too will receive the benefit of Christ’s sacrifice: “He is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s.”
    Those of ‘the whole world’ are all who will gain eternal life in a restored earthly paradise. Millions of such approved servants of God now have that earthly hope. They view Jesus as their High Priest and King through whom they can daily gain approach to Jehovah. They rely on Jesus’ ransom, which is available to them, just as it will be to men such as Abraham, David, and John the Baptizer when these are resurrected. (Matthew 20:28) Thus, Christ’s sacrifice will lead to everlasting life for all obedient mankind.

  • Perry
    Perry

    JeffT said:

    I think that the big implication here is that this means that the R&F are followers of MEN, and are looking to MEN for salvation. That is essentially what is said in the two articles on this subject in the 1979 Watchtower. Non annointed derive their salvation from subjecting themselves to the organization
    Excellent point Jeff. The bottom line and the net result of this doctrine is that the governing body are the saviour of mankind and not Christ.

    And this is exactly what Jesus said would happen at Mt. 24:5 - "many will come in my name, saying I am the Christ [savior]and will mislead many"

    True the Society may never have said exactly, "we are the saviour of mankind". But, they have said repeatedly that the other shhep gain salvation by their association with the little flock [governing body].

    What is the difference? Absolutely none. I'm ashamed I never took Christ's words seriously before and allowed others to interpret it for me with the result of making Christ a liar. Absolutely incredible.

  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    >True the Society may never have said exactly, "we are the saviour of mankind".<

    Gotta taek argument with this. Yes they DO say that, they've been saying it since the time of Russell and show no signs of adjustment of this 'doctrine'.

    They say "no one can be saved except through US; no one can get accurate bible knowledge except through US; no one can understand the bible except through US; you should be willing to die (for example, the blood transfusion and the rape resistance dictine, both over forty years old now)for US rather than question US;...

    Yes, THEY claim to be THE Christ, and as such are in fulfillment of that prophecy.

    And, what goes around comes around...

    RUN WATCHTOWER RUN!!!

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    The article BluesBrother quotes reveals a fundamental flaw in the way the WT interprets the Bible. That start with what they think they know (there are two hopes for godly people)then twist scripture until it fits the preconceived notion.

    This isn't the only example of where they've done this.

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    G'day Roomie,

    Agree with your finely honed words 100%. Absolutely! Absolutely!

    The issue of Christ's mediatorship is what 'sealed' it' for Mrs Ozzie. She was dumbfounded on on the occasion I mentioned it to her. She had alsways THOUGHT that Jesus was her mediator and when I showed her the W/T article posted above she was incredulous. She asked her adult children the same question and they replied that Jesus was their mediator. All the children are very active Dubs BTW. Mrs Ozzie asked them how they knew that Jesus was their mediator and they replied "Because you taught us".

    I wonder how many thousands of dubs there are just like Mrs Ozzie who believe that Jesus is their mediator in contradiction of Watchtower doctrine.

    It seems to me that with that doctrine the average R&F have all the care but none of the benefits. The NT 'rules' and obligations apply to them but not the glorious hope of being with their Father.

    It's a perversion of the Scriptures, isn't it?

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "If our hopes for peace are placed in the hands of imperfect people, they are bound to evaporate."

    - Ron Hutchcraft Surviving the Storms of Stress

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    And another thing...............

    The words of 1 Timothy 2:5,6 read (according to the NWT) "...there is one mediator between God and men...who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all - this is what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times". So what is to be witnessed about is the ransom sacrifice for all and this is clearly linked with his mediatorship.

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "If our hopes for peace are placed in the hands of imperfect people, they are bound to evaporate."

    - Ron Hutchcraft Surviving the Storms of Stress

  • heathen
    heathen

    I remember when they announced the "new light" that christ was now the mediator for all .I am totally bewildered as to why they once again waffle on the issue.It seems clear to me that the bible is saying that everyone has to enter into the covenant through the ransom sacrifice of jesus.(hebrews 9:17)(rev.7:10-15)

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    heathen
    Yes, you are right, that is what the bible says, but you forget, that most of the good book was written for the annointed only. Therefore you must accept the FDS in the form of Jehovah's Organization as your mediator as they are the only ones on the planet today getting info beamed in from the spiritual world in which god lives. If you were baptized after 1985 then that is just what you swore alliegence to.
    Father, son & org.

  • ChristFollower
    ChristFollower

    Good points. It is astounding how many JW's aren't even aware of the implications of this. Bait and switch. "Reel 'em in with the Paradise thing, then tell 'em that Jesus is not your mediator, or saviour - we "anointed" are the mediator and saviour."

    http://www.jwfiles.com/mediator.htm

    *** w79 4/1 31 Questions from Readers ***
    At a time when God was selecting those to be taken into that new covenant, the apostle Paul wrote that Christ was the “one mediator between God and men.” (1 Tim. 2:5) Reasonably Paul was here using the word “mediator” in the same way he did the other five times, which occurred before the writing of 1 Timothy 2:5, referring to those then being taken into the new covenant for which Christ is “mediator.” So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the “mediator” only for anointed Christians.

    Remember who is in charge and who is directing the information, the Anointed Governing Body!!!

    *** w79 11/15 26 Benefiting from "One Mediator Between God and Men" ***
    20 What, then, is Christ’s role in this program of salvation? Paul proceeds to say: “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men [not, all men], a man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all.”—1 Tim. 2:5, 6.

    Notice the part [not, all men], that was inserted in the scripture quoted, by the "Anointed Governing Body".

    *** Worldwide Security 1986, p110 The "Prince of Peace" Turns to Those Outside the New Covenant ***

    And in our time, millions of the “other sheep” are already benefiting from the ministry of the new covenant, as rendered by the anointed remnant under the Mediator, Jesus Christ.

    So the Anointed are rendering to the other sheep instead of Jesus directly.

    ** w89 8/15 30 Questions From Readers ***

    Clearly, then, the new covenant is not a loose arrangement open to all mankind. It is a carefully arranged legal provision involving God and anointed Christians.
    *** w89 8/15 31 Questions From Readers ***
    The people of all nations who have the hope of everlasting life on earth benefit even now from Jesus’ services. Though he is not their legal Mediator, for they are not in the new covenant, he is their means of approaching Jehovah.

    Hum...

    ***Worldwide Security 1986, p10 The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide ***
    Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.
    According to the Society Jesus is the mediator only for the 144,000.

    *** w89 8/15 31 Questions From Readers ***
    Consequently, 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 is not using “mediator” in the broad sense common in many languages. It is not saying that Jesus is a mediator between God and all mankind. Rather, it refers to Christ as legal Mediator (or, “attorney”) of the new covenant, this being the restricted way in which the Bible uses the term.
    Trying to explain this one by using the term "attorney"!

    *** w89 12/15 30 Do You Remember? ***
    • In what sense does Paul use the term “mediator” when referring to Jesus at 1 Timothy 2:5, 6? In this text, Paul uses the Greek word me·si'tes for “mediator,” which term has a legal significance, so he is not using this word in the broad sense common in many languages. Hence, Paul is not saying that Jesus is Mediator between God and all mankind. Rather, he is referring to Christ as legal Mediator of the new covenant, which laid the basis for Christ’s anointed followers to share with him in his heavenly
    Kingdom.
    (2 Corinthians 5:1, 5; Ephesians 1:13, 14; Hebrews 8:7-13)—8/15, pages 30, 31.

    Is this what Paul said? I don't see that in 1 Timothy 2:5,6.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    ...and it is their own words that condemn them...

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