Watchtower Dishonesty

by Vanderhoven7 52 Replies latest jw friends

  • Sherilynn
    Sherilynn

    Elephant...I read to keep up on the continuing new light so that when family or friends still ask me to return to Jehovah I can carry on a conversation based on the ever changing truth. Hopefully they will have the scales fall from their eyes and see the light for what it really is, just as I did when discovering the many WT lies...all in the name of God. It is because of my love for others that I do read some of the articles, if you don't get that you are missing the point of why many(not all) are members here or who have set up their own sites, it is to HELP OTHERS.

    The Watchtower is not a loving organization that just lets you have your own thoughts or dare to ask questions and if you do not agree with their teachings will allow you to just go your own way but still maintain loving relationships with friends and families. If you are a JW then you should know that, if you are not and have read anything on this site you will come to know that.

  • ScenicViewer
    ScenicViewer

    For many years I've had problems with Watchtower beliefs, teachings, and methods. It's only in the last two years that I've been able to put my finger on the one big, overriding problem with the Society. For me, it's organizational dishonesty!

    Whether it's past teachings that have been abandoned, the long list of false prophecies, the UN involvement, blood or other medical issues, double standards regarding neutrality, or anything else, the Society always responds to it's flaws the same way...by spinning, white washing, re-writing...in other words, with dishonesty!

    This religion cannot survive without lying!

    Thanks for this post.

  • kurtbethel
    kurtbethel

    The deal is, that the Watchtower really does publish spiritual food that comes from their god. So my question is this, who is the father of lies?

    Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society channels spiritual food from their god the father of lies

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Awesome post Brother!! Thank you! Having the info compiled together like that makes it so much easier to see!

  • Anator
    Anator

    If you believed in one thing that no longer holds merit then own up to it, explain the reason with the why's and evidence to explain the why. I wouldn’t have a problem if they did this. I found this true with science. When science studies the planets they thought one thing was true but further examination revealed that their pass assumption was incorrect and updated there current studies and reported their findings on the matter. But here is the problem with the WTS, the WTS does some sort of psychology for its members as if those early teachings never existed. Sometimes they’ll phrase things like ‘some have previously thought’ as if they never said it themselves. Wait a minute!! Here it is in your own articles! If you try to bring this up to any active members they don’t want to hear it thinking it is from an apostate source.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    I am glad we can honestly discuss the " Elephant " in the room.

  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    The actual document was written by someone who originally posted it at GeoCities web site...which is no longer available.

    I'm glad some have found it useful.

    The artical goes on to say: "

    Watchtower Contradicts The First Resurrection

    In April 1986, the Watchtower stated that because certain first century "Christians" taught that the resurrection had already occurred, they were apostates:

    Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship. [Watchtower 4/1/86, Page 31: "Paul wrote about some in his day: "Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus' sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship."]

    In their lastest history book: Jehovah's Witnesses: Proclaimers of God's Kingdom published in 1993, the book shows that the founder of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society [now the legal representatives of Jehovah's Witnessesses] Charles Taze Russell, taught that the resurrection began in 1878:

    [The Bible Students] concluded that ... the resurrection to spirit life of those already sleeping in death began then.

    [ Proclaimers, Page 632: "Based on the premise that events of the first century might find parallels in related events later, they [the early Bible Students associated with C. T. Russell] also concluded that if Jesus' baptism and anointing in the autumn of 29 C.E. paralleled the beginning of an invisible presence in 1874, then his riding into Jerusalem as King in the spring of 33 C.E. would point to the spring of 1878 as the time when he would assume his power as heavenly King. They also thought they would be given their heavenly reward at that time. When that did not occur, they concluded that since Jesus' anointed followers were to share with him in the Kingdom, the resurrection to spirit life of those already sleeping in death began then."]

    Russell taught this for the remaining years of his life. The Watchtower Society was still teaching this in 1925:

    It is the understanding of the consecrated that the sleeping saints were resurrected in 1878.

    [Watchtower 2/1/25, Page 371]

    By 1927, however, the Watchtower Society said:

    ... the resurrection of the sleeping saints did not take place in 1878. [4]

    [Watchtower 5/15/27, Page 151: "It seems impossible to find anything in these parallel events to indicate the resurrection of the sleeping saints in 1878... Again referring to the quotation from Volume III: The conclusion there reached, that the parallels bear upon the resurrection of the saints, results from the assumption that the Lord was supposed to have taken his power and begun his reign in 1878, and that therefore he would resurrect his saints at approximately the same time. But there is nothing to indicate that Jesus Christ took his power and began his reign in 1878. He could not consistently do so until the expiration of the Gentile Times... the Gentile Times ended in 1914, and the nations were angry, and it was the Lord's due time to take possession and oust Satan. Seeing then that the Scriptures conclusively prove that the Lord Jesus Christ did not take his great power and begin his reign in 1878, but that he did so in 1914, it follows that the resurrection of the sleeping saints did not take place in 1878."

    This presents a curious situation: Charles Taze Russell was an apostate according to the 1986 Watchtower, since he declared that the resurrection had already occurred.

    Moreover, the Society says that Jehovah selected it as His earthly organization in 1918. At that time, they were still teaching Russell's "apostate" interpretation.

    Note: In the Watchtower (06/01/27), it was stated (on page 165) that the resurrection had in fact taken place in 1918: "The anointed and faithful ones constitute the temple of God... Such of course include both the sleeping saints and the faithful ones who afterwards have their instantaneous change... Jesus went to heaven to prepare a place for his saints... it would hardly seem that he would awaken the sleeping saints until this preparatory work was completed... it follows, then that the temple of God was brought together in 1918, and that that marks the time of the resurrection of the sleeping saints."

  • pontoon
    pontoon

    Is there a department in WTBTS to keep tabs on what has to be changed or made unavailable? Years ago a young sister in my congregation was on the cover of a brochure, (I think the school brochure) she was DF'd and before you knew it that brochure was reprinted with a new cover. I believe everything else remained the same. So how do they keep tabs on all that stuff?

  • Scott77
    Scott77

    Very excellent threat. Thanks Vanderhoven7. Cannot wait to share the same with some JWs I know.

    Scott77

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w93 1/15 p. 5 ‘Caught Away to Meet the Lord’—How? ***

    When a foreign head of State visits a country, the dates of his presence there are generally announced. This has been true of the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914. Events since that year testify to Jesus’ invisible presence. (Matthew 24:3-14)

    And in the same year 1993,

    *** jv Proclaimers book chap. 28 pp. 631-632 Testing and Sifting From Within ***

    Something else that was seen as a possible time indicator involved the arrangement that God instituted in ancient Israel for a Jubilee, a year of release, every 50th year. This came after a series of seven 7-year periods, each of which ended with a sabbath year. During the Jubilee year, Hebrew slaves were freed and hereditary land possessions that had been sold were restored. (Lev. 25:8-10) Calculations based on this cycle of years led to the conclusion that perhaps a greater Jubilee for all the earth had begun in the autumn of 1874, that evidently the Lord had returned in that year and was invisibly present, and that “the times of restitution of all things” had arrived.—Acts 3:19-21, KJ.

    Based on the premise that events of the first century might find parallels in related events later, they also concluded that if Jesus’ baptism and anointing in the autumn of 29 C.E. paralleled the beginning of an invisible presence in 1874, then his riding into Jerusalem as King in the spring of 33 C.E. would point to the spring of 1878 as the time when he would assume his power as heavenly King. They also thought they would be given their heavenly reward at that time.

    And overlooked by me in 1975

    *** sl Man's Salvation chap. 16 p. 287 par. 12 Awaiting the “New Heavens and a New Earth” ***

    Russell calculated that Christ’s “presence” had begun in the year 1874 C.E., unseen to human eyes and seen only by the eye of faith. This was why, when he began publishing a new religious magazine in defense of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ, Russell entitled it “Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence.” However, events on earth since the end of the “appointed times of the [Gentile] nations” have been fulfilling Bible prophecy and prove that the promised “presence” or parousia of Christ in Kingdom power began first about October 4/5, 1914 C.E.

    (This made me realize how the WTS buried and separated information to hide their lies)

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