Fantastic quote on jwfacts Sparlock article

by cedars 115 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • cedars
    cedars

    steve2 - that's a fair observation. I wish I could be more passive towards people like KS who have a clear agenda against me. Believe me, I try. I can agree to disagree with most folks on most subjects. I often fail miserably in this regard with slimboyfat, but I'm working on that! After all, you say what you say, and it goes on the record forever (or as long as this site exists) even if someone later contradicts it. However, it's always difficult to leave matters unaddressed when things get personal, and you are accused of dishonesty or trying to mislead people.

    I asked those questions of KS earlier (which thus far remain unanswered) not to instigate some sort of witch-hunt against him, but genuinely to find out what makes the guy tick. I just can't figure him out or understand why a retired doctor would suddenly write so prolifically and with such authority about a religion he was never fully involved in and severed ties with decades ago when still a child. If you read the masturbation thread, even the most impartial observers can see that he turned on me with real venom without any provocation other than that I disagreed with him on something. I understand we may have locked horns previously when discussing Anonymous, but this doesn't explain his apparent disdain for me and the work I am trying to do. It just doesn't add up.

    It's a shame this thread has been overcooked, mostly with rehashing arguments over semantics. I honestly didn't expect this outcome - I don't think anyone did. Like I said, at least it bumped the thread a few times, so maybe a few lurkers were introduced to jwfacts.com who otherwise wouldn't have been. I can at least be thankful for that.

    Cedars

    [edit post: anything off topic I've said to King Solomon is what I feel needs to be said. I actually think it's a kindness to do it here rather than start a new thread on the subject and cause any undue awkwardness or unwarranted exposure - and I'm in no mood to get into a PM exchange with him.]

  • besty
  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep
    This thread was merely my attempt to draw attention to an excellent quote on jwfacts.com that demonstrates a marked shift from the uncompromising stance shown in the new children's DVD - nothing more, nothing less.

    A marked shift????

    What brought my attention to the 1994 article was expressions of amazment at the Sparlock Propaganda video when in my memory the psychology hadn't changed in the decades since I was a kid. A quick search of my hard drive found the article in question. I then posted it here http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/226565/3/Any-reaction-from-active-JWs-about-the-Sparlock-training-video

    I would say the thread became 'overcooked' by the extravagant claim that it was a 'Fantastic quote', when it was really just more of the 'same old' and accidentally, or deliberately, (your choice), didn't include the psychobabble that identified it as the 'same old'.

    What bothers me is the thought of newbie TTATTers wasting perfectly good opportunities for worthwhile discussions with family members on poorly thought out subjects. When I go fishing I want my knife sharp, my hooks sharp, my knots tied correctly and a bait they can't resist.

  • cedars
    cedars

    Black Sheep

    I would say the thread became 'overcooked' by the extravagant claim that it was a 'Fantastic quote', when it was really just more of the 'same old' and accidentally, or deliberately, (your choice), didn't include the psychobabble that identified it as the 'same old'.

    You may not think it's a "fantastic quote" but others do. It's a personal viewpoint. If people weren't allowed to express personal viewpoints on this forum for fear of contradicting someone else's opinion, it would be a very dull place indeed.

    Cedars

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep
    I asked those questions of KS earlier (which thus far remain unanswered) not to instigate some sort of witch-hunt against him, but genuinely to find out what makes the guy tick.

    Maybe you are being too nosey. I've made the mistake of giving newbies too much info and I won't be doing it again.

    It's not bedtime in NZ, Besty

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    When you are baiting a JW you have to put your personal viewpoints aside. It's game. You have to play the game in a way that takes away all their advantages.

  • cedars
    cedars

    When you are baiting a JW you have to put your personal viewpoints aside.

    So now I need to put my personal viewpoints aside on this forum.

    Got it.

    Cedars

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    No, you haven't got it.

    Read it again. There were no lines to read between.

    I am your friend, not your enemy.

    If it's not being too nosey, are you born/raised in, or recruited?

  • cedars
    cedars

    Here's another way of looking at things (for any who are interested)...

    • The jwfacts.com article exists irrespective of what goes on on this forum. Traffic can be diverted from this thread to the article, but not the other way round. Therefore, those reading the article on jwfacts.com are mercifully spared from seeing the bickering that's going on on this thread over semantics of how a quote has been used.
    • Lurkers on this forum have had their attention drawn to an article that they otherwise may never have seen. There may even be some who have visited jwfacts.com for the first time as a result of this thread.
    • Any lurkers who happen to agree with KS and Black Sheep will at least be impressed that apostates are so pedantic when it comes to accuracy and not trying to mislead people, to the point of criticizing eachother if they feel information has been presented inaccurately. This dispels the myth that all apostates are liars and are out to deceive people.

    So, even with my questions to KS going unanswered, this thread has been a win-win scenario for both sides!! Everybody should be happy.

    Isn't life wonderful?!

    Cedars

  • cedars
    cedars

    Black Sheep

    I am your friend, not your enemy.

    I know that. I'm not taking anything personally. At least not today!

    If it's not being too nosey, are you born/raised in, or recruited?

    Born in.

    Cedars

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