I said yes already! Won't it look bad if I don't show up? I could pull an " Abraham " and use Theocratic Warfare Strategy!
SLANDER!!!
by DATA-DOG 30 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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elderelite
brother hounder, im really sorry, but when i agreed to sit down with you i didnt realize i had already scheduled brain surgery (or whatever excuse you feel works). Im not going to be able to meet with you at (date previously scheduled) but I will call YOU to reschedule when i get a free second....
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tornapart
DD.. Couldn't you just say that you've given it some thought and that you really don't have anything to add to what you've already said and feel it would be a waste of everyone's time? Believe me if other elders are anything like my husband they'll be happy that they've done their 'bit' and shown willing but will be grateful for the evening off. I know he's more than happy if someone rings up and cancels. I really think that if you try and say what you feel, they'll have you pinned against the wall with no wriggling room to get out. If you want to avoid future judicials it's really best to keep quiet. EE's got it down to a fine art I reckon, take his advice! LOL
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King Solomon
Ignore my prior post: I thought you were asking about secular law, which JW law doesn't follow.
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Quendi
Personally, Data-Dog, I would refuse to answer any further questions. They are on some kind of power game and you don’t have to play. Just remember that the Sanhedrin convicted Jesus despite having no evidence to do so. If that happened to him, then you can suffer the same thing. That should disabuse you of any idea that the meeting will be just and fair. Tell these elders they have all they need to know and you have better things to do with your time. They can’t compel you to meet with them and if they say they are only seeking clarification, then they’re lying. They are on a witch hunt and are determined to find one. If they mark you or place some kind of restrictions such as not being allowed to pray or no School talks, so what? You’re better off that way because it sounds like you intend to “fade” and leave this organization. Whatever you decide, I wish the very best for you.
Quendi
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DATA-DOG
KS, your post was too logical!! Still I appreciate good advice, thank you. I did look into some legal sites to get a better understanding of slander, just in case. Evidence does no good if the " judges " will not consider it.
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james_woods
It is ironic that this cult is trying to judge religious things by human legal (pseudo-legal actually) means.
I agree with the fact that you should tell them to go straight to hell and be done with it.
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Fernando
Realistically they operate from a point of view that they are always right no matter how wrong they are. As others have said you lose no matter how right you are, if you are not aligned to their view. The less you say the better.
Maybe focus on asking clarifying questions, over and over:
"let me see if I understand correctly..."
"are you saying..."
"in view of... does this mean..."
"how does the wt define slander..."
"how does true versus false relate in this definition..."
Ultimately backing out of any meeting or confrontation is better. It is impossible and spiritually illegal to force a Pharisee (member of the ruling religious clergy class) to do the right thing. Your best bet may be praying to be delivered from them.
If you are accused of slander what about respectfully denying and placing the burden of proof on them?
Is it possible that by their own definition/s in their own publications that you are the one being slandered?
You may want to try this sentence scope search in the wt lib:
slander (false/true)
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tornapart
I've recently been listening to some podcasts of this brother who had been fading for a while. His brother (an elder) and another elder asked to visit him on a 'shepherding' visit. He allowed them and they asked him lots of questions about his beliefs. He innocently answered them thinking as it was an informal visit, he'd had no association with anyone for a while, hadn't spoken to anyone else about his views and they were his own private thoughts, that it would be confidential. Next thing he knew he'd been dragged in front of a judicial committee... guess who the '2 witnesses' were? He got spiritually stoned. It's all here....
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blindnomore
It is your own conviction which is the key in dealing with Phariseese. Read chapter 9 of John. Notice how a healed blindman responded. Make sure you are in charge not them.
Cancel or delay the meeting. Just tell them you have something come up or you aren't feeling well or anything that you can think of. You are in charge.
Once you were charged for a slandering, you have no way out because phariseese have the agenda on you. Do not play by their rule. Tell them you are not talking with 2 elders(2 witnesses against you) unless you can also bring another person that has your interest. You are in charge. Never consult or talk with more than one elder at a time. Don't make things easier for pharisees. Borrow your time as much as you can since you are not ready for disfellowshipping.(Although I don't believe enduring and facing their malicious persecution beyond reasonable period is good for your welfare in spiritually, psycologically, emotionally and physically)
I was in your shoes 2 years ago. "Malicious Slandering" was the charge, pharisees finally come up on me. I provided them the definitions of malicious and slandering. The Pharesees were forced to drop the charge since no evidence or witnesses on me for the charge. They changed the charge to "malicious lying." And then finally to "reviling." I was to revile elders by talking negatively about them to others which once again another their false accusation against me. Not that I didn't believe elders were bad in fact they were child abusers but I kept it to myself from cult members. And they come up with 2 false witnesses at the JC.
I hope your pharisees are less malicious than mine.
I am enjoying a cult free life these days. My best days are yet to come.