russell taught that the ressurection of the sleeping saints started in 1874. i cant paste a link from my phone but google "jws and necromancy" www.sean.net a great write up by ken raines, for more info on russell directing the work after his death.
SAFE WAY to awaken, VERY POWERFUL. Even called Bethel elder on it.
by EndofMysteries 38 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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poppers
Got a condensed version?
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FWFranz
Hi EndofMysteries The misunderstanding of 1st Thessalonians chapter 4 has led the WT into teaching an untruth about the timing of the first ressurrection, that is for certain. But there are other truths revealed in that passage of scripture that also prove that the WTS's teaching on an invisible parousia that includes so called "annointed ones" remaining on the earth for a protracted period of time during this suppossed parousia is also false. This can be shown in their own copy of the The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scritpures. Their own marginal references tell a very dfferent tale than what has been published in the pages of the WT since the days of Bro. Russell. If you examine 1st Thessalonians 4 verse 17 in the Interlinear you will notice on the left hand side where there is a word for word translation. Here the WTS correctly ascribes the definition of the word "aema" ( Strongs, Number 260) as being " at the same time". As far as my own research goes, this is a commonly accepted definition of the word "aema" among Koine Greek scholars.
Conclusion. If those who are raised from the dead rise to meet Jesus in the clouds "at the same time" (as clearly stated in greek) with the living members of Christs brothers, then this teaches two doctrines that are very at odds with WT teaching. First off this would mean that at Christ's parousia or return that all of his body members would receive their reward at the same time and that they would be raised to meet Christ in the air simultaneously. This could not possibly be reconciled with a teaching that some began to be resurrected in 1918 ( 1878 in CT Russell's mind) and that others would remain on earth for nearly a 100 years after the begining of Jesus parousia! That would definitely be in sharp contrast to Pauls statement that this all happenened "at the same time"!
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- Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the cloudsto meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
epeita hmeiv oi zwntev (5723) oi perileipomenoi (5742) ama sunautoiv arpaghsomeqa (5691) en nefelaiv eiv apanthsin tou kurioueiv aera; kai outwv pantote sun kuriw esomeqa. (5704)
Secondly if the WT insists that there are still some of Christs brothers on earth, this would be proof that Jesus had not returned invisibly or otherwise! Simply because when Jesus does return one of the signs of his parousia will be indicated by the simultaneous removal of all his body members to meet him in the clouds. Therefore since the scriptures clearly teach that Jesus has NOT returned, and that there are absolutely no scriptures that clearly teach that Jesus would make an examination of all of Christendom's church's at any time, let alone in 1918, this nullifies the WTS's claim to be exclusively chosen by God.
FWFranz
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EndofMysteries
FWfranz - very good point. I thought I had, but perhaps I forgot, about that point you just brought out about it happening at the same time. That yes, there could not be any anointed on Earth today if it had happened, because they would be transformed and raised up.
I definitely didn't mention though what you brought out, on it then also proving that 1918 the rule hadn't begun yet. It's another good reason to perhaps go this route, if someone see's this, then on their own they may connect the dots and realize that the 1914/1918 or being chosen by Jesus would not add up and start to crumble the false teachings.
That must be the the true reason for upholding this false view, they realize if they taught it as the bible says it would invalidate the 1918 with them being chosen.
Even the logic of them being chosen, the scriptures on the faithful slave, the 10 virgins w/ the oil lamps, the slaves given silver and see what they are doing, to "STAY AWAKE, not have the master return and be sleeping", they are all speaking of the same thing, so since it was fulfilled in 1918 according to them, there is no need to stay awake anymore is there?
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EndofMysteries
Poppers - condensed version - 1 Thess 4:15-17 shows what happens to living anointed when the dead are resurrected, 1 Cor 15:51-53 shows HOW living anointed are raised up during this event, and 2 Tim 2:18 shows that even in early christian times apostates were the ones who taught the resurrection of dead anointed had already happened even with living ones still around.
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EndofMysteries
So Poppers, long story short, WT teaching of resurrection of anointed having began in 1918 is apostate teaching
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J. Hofer
TLDR. i'll stick with making them atheists.
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perfect1
Thanks for the summary EndoM.
I was having trouble wading through the first post too.
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EndofMysteries
perfect1 - the first part once I get to talking about the WT article, the only way to really go through it is by going along w/ the article or yea it would be a bit confusing.
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Farkel
Your argument suffers from an advanced case of pleonasm.
Farkel