Apostasy Trial - Part 5

by RayPublisher 41 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • RayPublisher
    RayPublisher

    Well part 5 was just put up on YouTube! This is the third 45 minute segment of the 3+ hour meeting. Topics covered include:

    • Our culture as JWs is based on works and it's not right
    • The vast majority don't deserve to be DFed and it is overly harsh
    • Armageddon is used by JWs like hellfire is used by some churches to control the people
    • The love inside JW congregations is not any different from other Christian groups
    • Charitable works were a large part of Jesus' and the apostles ministry- why doesn't WT do this?
    • Expressing doubts and opinions does not weaken but can strengthen Christians
    • Oral sex discussed in WT- why?
    • Letter to the elders re how some porn is not as bad as other kinds of porn- is that scriptural?
    • Anonymous elders post all the secret correspondence of the GB
    • Carl Olaf Jonsson and what he discovered about 607
    • WT was a member of the UN for ten years
    • Many JWs are terrified to google anything that is not WT approved
    • Transfusions of cow's blood is ok- why?

    Anyways, here it is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee0tbSJ6gg8

  • RayPublisher
  • sabastious
  • hoser
    hoser

    Ray you've got balls of steel.

  • clarity
    clarity

    Eric ............... in the context of your wt exit ...

    there is nothing that you can't do now.

    Proud to know you ... even for this wee bit of time & space.

    Thanks for your efforts, tears & guts!

    clarity

  • Listener
    Listener

    You left it at a cliff hanger. One elder so far has said he has never heard of the book - Crisis of Conscience. Amazing how these elders shield themselves from knowing anything other than what the WTBTS tells them. A ridiculous situation considering and as you pointed out that non-anointed write the Watchtower. Given that no writers are named we really don't know who wrote the articles. But these men are supposed to be shepperding the flock, how are they qualified to do that when they do not know all the facts (and deliberately avoid knowing them) regading their religion?

    Cosmo was very upset when you pointed out his error and was quick to tell YOU that YOU don't know what is in his mind or heart but God does know. I am anxious to see how they justify their judgement of you. How humbled he must have been when you said that it wasn't about him.

    Cosmo in all his righteousness and halo glowing states "I'm perfectly happy". Really, just how does he come to that feeling when he is being governed by an imperfect body? He is not simply happy but perfectly happy. Is this honesty or delusionary?

    Are they ever truthful and open at any stage as to where the initial accusations came from? I can't believe that the elder who is related to Walter said he would tell you honestly what Walter told him and basically all he said was that he was just concerned about you.

    The most moving part of this hearing was when you talked about everyone needing someone to talk to. It is just so true and here you were being 'hung, drawn and quartered' because of it. Where is the love and understanding in this organization?

    Your relationship with God will only develop more strongly but I am sad to hear about the damage that has occurred within your family relationship. You lovingly asked us to pray for the elders but I hope others (as I will) will pray for the extra strength that you need also. I don't doubt that these elders will use the same WTBTS standards to handle your wife although you may never know how or what transpired, besides I doubt you would approve of their behaviour in this regard.

  • man oh man
    man oh man

    we can never get a jw to talk about these things. Here you are talking to three of their best, and they are unable to use reason. Seriously a child could figure it out. Makes me feel sad that I used to be this ignorant. Makes me even more sad that I love my jw brothers and sisters so much and they are trapped in their own minds.

    I was really impressed when you told them that thousands of brothers and sisters have died due to wt policy and they said, admitting you were right, well Jehovah can ressurect them. Jehovah can fix it. Like Almighty God would fix his own mistakes. He is perfect but he will fix his own mistakes. Makes me shake my head! This organization makes a farce of truth and a mockery of God!

  • MrFreeze
    MrFreeze

    I can't believe you got elders to talk to you for this long. I gave them many of the points that you did and they shut me off real quick. You did a great job thinking on your feet. Well done RayPublisher! While I'm sure you and I vary greatly on our beliefs on God and the Bible, we both seem to have many common threads here.

  • Elizabeth123
  • HelpMeBelieve
    HelpMeBelieve

    Conduct when nobody's home is kosher! Hell, if I accused my brother of apostasy while battling a terrible addiction to porn my conscience would allow me to watch more porn! Secrets gossiping chatter-boxes hide while throwing their friends under the bus! My how our conscience only bother's us when our brother is saying things, yet it's cool when we participate by "talking dirty to sisters", "telling strangers our wild sexual fanstasies" perhaps picking up some working girl in a wholesome attempt to preach Christ to her, while talking dirty! The bestest part is I can remain in good standing in my Kingdom hall, because I showed loyalty!

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