I was HAPPY as a JW, how did I get here?

by MC RubberMallet 85 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Sab, I will not invalidate your unhappy memories. Please don't invalidate other people's happy memories. You have a right to express your anger over what happened, and we would all agree. But don't cross the line and insist that others must apply your feelings to their lives.

    Regarding the accident your brother had. Horrible story. But that wasn't the cult, that was idiotic parenting. Things like that happen in cults and out.

    People turned the other way with the Penn State horrors too. We are doing what we can to bring that to light and to make the guilty pay. But would you tell everyone that went to Penn State they must now look back at their entire college experience with horror? That they must grieve for every game they cheered at? I don't think so.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    There are lots of things in life it makes sense to be "disappointed" about. This is not one of them.

    Yeah it is actually. The OP paints the Watchtower as some sort of adventure climbing up the corperate ladder. I can tell the writer is being a bit sarcarstic and I can see where he is going, that it's all going to come crashing down, but that's becuse we have all seen this show before, WAY TOO MANY TIMES. This is not the time to focus on the euphoria lifestyle that the Watchtower offers their members. So much suffering has come from it, there is NOTHING of value to take from it except for the sciences to study in order to prevent this madness for our kids in the future.

    Just as JWs cannot conceive of anyone outside the organization being genuinely happy, we don't want to fall into the reactive opposite trap of now assuming no one inside the organization is happy. As other posters have eloquently said, being happy doesn't make anyone right or justified.

    I can say that all alcoholics are miserable despite any exterior appearances to the contrary. Alcoholism is a self medication that is symptom of a deeper problem. We can't be happy with lingering deep problems, we can only smile and bear through life, but we WON'T be happy no matter what. To claim that there is ANY happiness in the JW organization is akin to saying it's ok in certain circumstances to be an alcholic. That's crazy and enabling the deeper problem.

    -Sab

  • krejames
    krejames

    Sorry but I think putting JWs on par with Nazis runnig a deathcamp is a bit extreme. Yes people are capable and will do evil things when they have their blinkers on and when they follow the crowd. But there are degrees of evil. JWs have their failings but what organisation on earth doesn't? Where would you stop? Political parties? A play group where a todler dies falling off a slide? Your local Council? The average JW might be guilty of negligence - yes - but evil on a par with the Nazi's? Sorry I'm not buying that even if that does make me a JW apologist in the minds of some. Even the GB, though arguably much more culpable than the R&F witnesses, are probably more guilty of negiligence than pure, deliberate unadulterated evil.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Sab, I will not invalidate your unhappy memories. Please don't invalidate other people's happy memories. You have a right to express your anger over what happened, and we would all agree. But don't cross the line and insist that others must apply your feelings to their lives.

    You have a problem and you need to deal with it.

    -Sab

  • rip van winkle
    rip van winkle

    NC- they may look back and see something good in their time their, while planning the total destruction of the entire system. maw hawwwww.

    SOL- That's the problem with trying to demonize JWs as evil people: they simply aren't. My family aren't, and yours aren't, as are most of the JWs I've met are not, either. It just doesn't stick.

    STEVE2- Just as JWs cannot conceive of anyone outside the organization being genuinely happy, we don't want to fall into the reactive opposite trap of now assuming no one inside the organization is happy

    I was/am not a "happy witness", although I have had moments of happiness and JOY. But I do know happy,joyful, content witnesses. They do not know they are being LIED to. If they were to find out TTATT they would not be happy. But, even then, they would not deny the moments of happiness that they experienced.

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    You have a problem and you need to deal with it.

    Sab, why do you always get so personal with me? I haven't done so with you. What is up with you today?

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    I can say that all alcoholics are miserable despite any exterior apperaces to the contrary.Alcoholism is a self medication that is symptom of a deeper problem. We can't be happy with lingering deep problems, we can only smile and bear through life, but we WON'T be happy no matter what. To claim that there is ANY happiness in the JW organization is akin to saying it's ok in certain circumstances to be an alcholic. That's crazy and enabling the deeper problem.

    Sab, you're showing extremist thinking, another symptom of JW upbringing (dualistic, binary, either/or).

    Fact is, there are functional alcoholics who don't let it effect their lives, and continue to drink for decades without causing a problem (i.e. productive at work, relationships, etc). The risk is they can cross a boundary, but many seemingly don't. So who's to say it's wrong or bad? It's like the old "if a tree falls in the forest" question, a theoretical harm that never happens.

    You operate under the burden of false assumptions you carry as truths (eg "We can't be happy with lingering deep problems, we can only smile and bear through life, but we WON'T be happy no matter what"), when happiness is often simply allowing YOURSELF to put it all aside.

    Bottom line is, it's YOU holding yourself back, not anyone else. You have to give yourself permission to let it go, and move beyond.

    Fact is, many here are holding themselves back, refusing to accept the responsbility of whatever demons they are struggling with. But in the end, that's ALL it is to the challenge: the individual taking responsibility of their own life, as they're the only one who can change their own life (and they ultimately bears the cost of that decision). That is TTALATT ("The Truth About Life After The Truth)

    It's the same idea about seeing TTATT: you cannot live a JW's life for them, or find a magic combination of words that makes them all wake up and see it. Instead, it's a personal insight that one has to be receptive to, or it won't stick.

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    I think many alcoholics are able to look back on their lives and find times of true happiness. Maybe the problem is defining a person completely by one element in their lives. It is true that this element can be strong and even the most prominent, but that does not negate that many other things make the person. To say that a person is defined only by being in a cult, or only by being an alcoholic is a bit narrow-minded. A person can be many things, and their lives will be enriched by those many things. Nobody is only a cult member.

  • disillusioned1
    disillusioned1

    I was happier as a JW than I am now but only because I had a huge social circle.. so many friends, things to do. But I HATED field service, I HATED giving talks, I HATED sitting through the meetings and more and more I disagreed with things being said from the platform. As soon as you stop going to meetings the social circle of friends starts to go away. Friends stop calling. You don't get invited to anything. I miss that. My ex-husband told me I was always going to be trapped between 2 worlds while not fitting into either and he was right. I don't fit in with the JWs. I don't fit in with "the world". Needless to say, my social circle is extremely small. It doesn't help living in such a religious area. The new friends I make always want me to come to their church. I don't go and they end up disappearing too. It's a lonely life. So yeah, in a way I was happier as a JW too.. if I could have just done the things they expected me to do.. but I couldn't do it and I won't.. so here I sit, alone.

  • finally awake
    finally awake

    Disillusioned1, would it be possible for you to move to an area that's not so religious? Maybe just a larger town in the same area? I'm guessing that you arein a fairly small town. I've noticed that it's really hard for adults to grow a social life from scratch (especially in a small town) unless you join some sort of organization. When I first moved to the town I live in now, I was not a dub and I didn't have kids. It was really hard to meet people and make friends. I finally met a woman through my work and we became friends. She got my husband to join the Elks, which gave us a bit of a social life. Then we became dubs and cut off all those friendships. Now that we are out, we are starting over again. We've made friends through the Boy Scouts since our kids have joined, and Just Ron is thinking about trying to rejoin the Elks.

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