Recovery ; I'm going to add to the list of Rather be in Hades and daringhart13 as to why there are paedophiles /child abusers in positions of authority within the WTS and why are there abusers of young children who have even served jail term for their abuse and haven't been disfellowshipped? is that not contradictory?
Jwfacts-- Why So Many Contradictions?
by Recovery 88 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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tresdecu
Recovery, you are wasting your time. Thank you for promoting www.jwfacts.com ... it is one of the first sites I discovered when researching my religion. I imagine that %99.9999 of people will find this to be a great site written by a genuine guy just trying to help people see the duplicitous nature of the WTS. The %.0001 are crazy JWs like you (who are probably counting time) trying to find imaginary contradictions. If the author has made an honest mistake in verbage (being human) I'm sure he will have no problem correcting it. Just to be clear though, the only thing you are doing by starting these threads is to promote a helpful website, called www.jwfacts.com
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jookbeard
tresdecu ; was that www.jwfacts.com ?
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Recovery
This site trumps jwfacts website by a long shot so I could honestly care less about how much his google ranking/site traffic will increase. When you type "Jehovah's Witnesses" on Google you will come to this site before you do his. And that's all that really matters LOL
Changing the topic to child abuse/WT errors/the governing body/anything else you can come up with won't erase the contradictions. Jwfacts couldn't even defend them. What makes you think you can?
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jookbeard
"wont erase the contradictions"
might even reinforce them more. LOL.
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cofty
As I asked you a few hours ago can you please spell out concisely what the supposed contradiction is?
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Recovery
I don't know how else I can word it for you. I lined up jwfacts earlier statements with those he stated later. Read carefully.
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rather be in hades
not trying to contradict make believe stuff. aka magic and miracles
far more interested in why jehovah's spirit directed organization is promoting active child molestors to the body of elders.
can you explain that contradiction? why would jehovah's spirit directed organization promote active child molestors to the body of elders so they can sodomize children?
is that really god's organization? does jehovah approve of that?
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cofty
I read everything you have written in this thread and I can't see any contradiction.
If you can't state it in one simple sentence then as I suspect your are full of bullshit as usual.
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rather be in hades
if recovery is REALLY interested in defending "the truth" and wants to debunk the accusations, then my suggestion is to explain my questions because lurkers are going to see this:
they'll read the documents in file 2a which were prepared by the watchtower bible and tract society themselves and they will seethese undisputed facts and this undisputed timeline of events:
starting from page 2...
- they don't deny the elders are revered in the congregation - meaning they take leadership and are trusted (2)
- don't deny elders and ministerial servants are vetted before becoming one - uh ohhhh (3)
- they don't deny elders are agents of the watchtower - so if an elder rapes a child...and the elder is an agent of the watchtower...(5)
- they don't deny there is an elder book that tells them how to handle sexual abuse - so it's by wt instructions how to handle matters (6)
- they don't deny you mst be approved for field service - vetting? we are talking about approaching homes with children...(11)
the time line is rather scary. all of these are facts not disputed by the watchtower society
- 1977 - dorman was born
- 1980 - campos becomes an baptized publisher in 1980 (34)
- 1982 - campos molests a young member of linda vista congregation (39)
- 1982 - yong member tells his mother (40)
- 1982 - at this time, campos CONFESSES to the boy's mother (41)
- 1982 - -mother tells elders, elders investigate, campos confesses to elders, NO ACTION TAKEN (42-47)
- 1982 - elders decides it's a minor matter bc they feel as though the mothers of the two involved worked it out somehow (48)
- 1982 - elder knew molestation was a crime, that he may repeat the crime, yet no restrictions on service and cong not warned (49)
- 1982 - police never called and campos continued condcting bible studies (50-51)
- 1983 - WHEN DORMAN WAS 6 YEARS OLD, CAMPOS WOULD SODOMIZE HIM AFTER BIBLE STUDY. HE WOULD TAKE DORMAN TO WORK WITH HIM. DORMAN'S MOTHER THOUGHT THIS WAS FINE AS HE WOULD BE A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR HER SON. (100)
- 1985 - WHEN DORMAN WAS APPROX 8 YEARS OLD, THE ABUSE STOPPED...AT LEAST AT WORK...STILL SKETCHY IF THERE WAS MORE. (100)
- 1986 - linda vista splits into la jolla and linda vista. both halls comprised of members from the original linda vista (57)
- 1986 - inaugural elders for la jolla congregation were elders from linda vista
- 1986 - elders form judicial committee for campos as more sexal molestation allegations come forth (pg. 24 - 2)
- 1986 - reproved, not expelled, temporary restriction on some priveledges (pg. 24 - 3)
- 1987 - Dormans move to Illinois, victim was 10...
- 1988 - becomes a ministerial servant (36)
- 1988 - campos started molesting gamboa and continued molesting him until 1994, sometimes as many as 2-3x a week from oral to attempted sodomy, digital anal penetration. (83-86)
- 1993 - becomes an elder, eventually becomes congregation servant (37)
- 1994 - gamboa moves to arizona and campos can no longer abuse him (86)
- 1994 - the dormans learn their son had been molested by campos (60)
- 1994 - campos admits to molesting dorman AND THAT THE ELDERS ALREADY KNEW (61)
- 1994 - dormans ask the riveras who are believed to have a son molested by campos, riveras were already warned of campos (62)
- 1994 - elders say that if she pursues the matter a previous affair she engaged in would be disclosed to the congregation, also said that too many years had passed and there was nothing they could do (63)
this calls into question how jehovah's spirit directed organization could possibly allow campos who was already accused of child molesting TO THE BODY OF ELDERS, to be promoted ministerial servant and later elder. all the while he was continuously molesting children in the flock that he was supposed to sheppard
whose spirit is really directing the organiztion?