How can one have faith and have no clue and understanding what is written in the Bible?

by jam 49 Replies latest jw experiences

  • tec
    tec
    Faith is trusting that something is true with no satisfactory evidence.

    Satisfactory to whom?

    If someone has reason for their faith, then it is not blind. You might not agree with their reasons; you might not think them satisfactory; but faith based ON something, is not blind.

    Think trust vs. blind trust. Can you see a difference between these two?

    For my part, I'm over any shape or form of faith that posits "God" as unchanging and our having to take "Him" at his word (which means having to agree to the latest "understanding" or "interpretation" of "His" word).

    This means putting your faith in the men making those statements; men who have proven themselves to be unworthy of your faith.

    I am with you on that. I have no faith in religion or the men who speak for religion either.

    Christ and God are not 'religion' though.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • tec
    tec

    So Jesus' praise of child-like faith IS in praise of BLIND FAITH

    No, his praise is for their willingness to listen and to learn. Not impeded by self-righteousness or pride. In a line from Avatar... "How can you fill a cup that is already full?"

    Children are also WAY smarter than people give them credit. They can see hypocrisy and bs, and have strong little senses of judgment. They are also forgiving, and some take advantage and abuse them for that.

    They also constantly question, question, question (until their teens/pre-teens and then they know everything, lol)... but again: to learn.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    TEC, So if children are so smart, intuitive and wise, at what age do they begin their ascent into stoopid (sic) adulthood?

    You mentioned pride and self-righteousness: child psychologists will tell you the most narcissist humans are actually infants, simply because they lack a basic awareness of self vs others. In other words, they are adapted for survival by letting Mom know when THEY are hungry, etc without a second thought of anything else. It's not even a matter of "pride", but instinct.

    Once again, it seems you are waxing romantic simply for the internal serotonin rush that it gives.

  • steve2
    steve2
    Christ and God are not 'religion' though.
    Peace,
    tammy

    Oh dear, the merry-go-round starts again. Truly, which Christ and which God are you referring to? The ones tailor made to fit your conceptions and needs or the myriad conceptions that have proliferated down through time, subject to the ever changing needs and conceptions of numberless well-intentioned fellow humans?

    The Bible cannot be the source of your conceptions because it is a mish-mash of human-generated genocidal ravings (Old Testament) and startlingly about-face "redemptions" that still require the spilling of blood (New Testament).

    Blood and guts rule!

  • tec
    tec
    TEC, So if children are so smart, intuitive and wise, at what age do they begin their ascent into stoopid (sic) adulthood?

    Adolescence?

    I never used all of those descriptions though. I said they were much smarter than most people give them credit for. They are not as two-faced as adults can be.

    You mentioned pride and self-righteousness: child psychologists will tell you the most narcissist humans are actually infants, simply because they lack a basic awareness of self vs others. In other words, they are adapted for survival by letting Mom know when THEY are hungry, etc without a second thought of anything else. It's not even a matter of "pride", but instinct.

    Well, there you go. Not talking about the same thing.

    Children do go through a very wondering, questioning, seeking phase. They are open, curious, and they constantly ask why, and how... unless someone has made them afraid to do so, that is.

    Once again, it seems you are waxing romantic simply for the internal serotonin rush that it give

    I did not feel even a minor seratonin rush. Do you feel an internal seratonin rush when you give your opinion on something?

    Oh dear, the merry-go-round starts again. Truly, which Christ and which God are you referring to? The ones tailor made to fit your conceptions and needs or the myriad conceptions that have proliferated down through time, subject to the ever changing needs and

    conceptions of numberless well-intentioned fellow humans?

    The God as shown through Christ.

    The Bible cannot be the source of your conceptions because it is a mish-mash of human-generated genocidal ravings (Old Testament) and startlingly about-face "redemptions" that still require the spilling of blood (New Testament).

    The bible is not the source of my faith in God, correct. Christ is that source.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    TEC SAID:

    "If someone has reason for their faith, then it is not blind. You might not agree with their reasons; you might not think them satisfactory; but faith based ON something, is not blind."

    How about faith based on HOPE? Is that "blind faith", or does HOPE suffice as a rational basis for having faith?

  • steve2
    steve2
    The bible is not the source of my faith in God, correct. Christ is that source.

    This kind of "whatever-it-means it means" faith is far more slippery than heated motor vehicle lubricant. It works so why worry?

    Is there a perceived or actual threat to my faith? Not to worry. Looks like someone's using reasoning? No need to worry. But what if it's a delusion? Dumb question - my faith has been revealed by Christ so how can it be? I'll just trust in my Christ-revealed faith in God and the journey will be sweet. All wonderful. All better. All delusion

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Ha hah hah!!!

    Well said, Steve2!!

  • jam
    jam

    KS and steve2, great stuff. You folks are a headache

    for believers. LOL

  • tec
    tec

    How about faith based on HOPE? Is that "blind faith", or does HOPE suffice as a rational basis for having faith?
    I wasn't thinking about hope, no. Hope might give a person a basis to seek out something. But as a SOLE basis for that something, I do not think so.
    You folks are a headache
    for believers. LOL

    Not really, no, lol. No headache here. But then, I'm not the one trying to define someone else's faith for them.

    Peace,

    tammy

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