a preference based on reality. i wonder if people made that same argument when trying to justify believing the sun went around the earth
Oh I get it. your reality is better than everyone else's.
no, but luckily quantum mechanics can and if you really truly cared to know, you'd study it. otherwise, you may continue to throw up your hands and declare this all unknowable. i'm very thankful though, that scientists didn't do that and let it all be magic from "god"
You're making assumptions about me that aren't true. I never declared anything unknowable or magical.
oh chemistry, biology, astrophysics, you know...science?
let me rephrase: what presented evidence here in this thread? I wasn't referring to outside resources.
for godssake yes! your observations are NOT trustworthy at all. that's the whole point. the larger the sample size and diversity, the better. i assure you, if you were to try to apply statistical methods such as confidence intervals, statistical correlations, etc, to your "data", you'd begin to understand the point.
I didn't arrive at a conclusion about atheists from a clinical or mathematical perspective. I say it again: based on what I observed in people I personally know (not acquaintences, not research subjects, not survey takers) and based on what many have told me. That's it. In that sense, my oberservations ARE very trustworthy. Did I apply it to everyone? NO. The issue to me is YOU probably don't trust YOUR OWN perspective on this matter which is why you need some scientific discipline to help you out.
no, either i'm right, they're right, or neither of us are right. so we go over the evidence to sort all that out. that's how science and proofs work. otherwise, how is progress made if we just go off of opinions which have a value of...? if no one challenged anything, we'd be way further back than we should be. would women still be burnt at the stake? homosexuals still don't have basic civil rights in the us, if it wasn't for science challenging the ignorant views of bigots with facts, who knows how much further behind their struggle for civil rights would be?
These are moral challenges, not scientific ones. Science can prove that homosexuals, women, people of color aren't in any way inferior or whatnot, but things only change when the status quo feels threatened enough to change, and usually that involves economics. Alabama bus boycott? Those bus companies felt the pinch of so many folks not riding the bus in those days. Enough people become outraged at injustice to stand up and do something about it. Noone needs a science to do that (but interestingly religion can and has played a strong role in promoting social justice).
once again, have you considered that believers could be a large part of the problem? have you considered the possibility that there are so many believers shoving their stuff (to be read in a joe biden sense) into secular law might be a large part of why atheists ridicule you guys? the very title of this topic was a loaded question and loaded answers came back.
Yes, believers are part of the problem. Big time. Religion is a made made egoic structure. A structure of the mind which is limited.
I agree the topic title is loaded, but some of the replies are also ridiculous and unnecessairily nasty. One of those replies came from Qcmbr which you felt a need to defend, and then you claimed that I'm upset, a mind reader, whatever. Not that I care.
stop playing the victim card. believers by and large control gov't and laws and oppress the civil rights of those licing a lifestyle they don't agree with
Where am I playing victim? Show me. If believers control government and oppress civil rights, do something about it then. I don't believe that they should.
have you heard of psychology, neuroscience, biology and math? they ABSOLUTELY attempt to explain why people do what they do. heck, it explains why organisms do what they do. not just humans. |
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yes I have (why would you suggest otherwise?). What I said was that no science can conclusively explain a lot of people's behavior. Pick an explanation, stick with it, fine. But something else could be a factor too.
