by Chariklo 553 Replies latest jw friends
"my beliefs and evidences.."
literally ..holy shit... Wo would have imagined the EVIDENCES for the existance of god would be announced here on JWN, please do share the evidence with us... ... Please.... i am on the phone to Sky news, they are awaiting your answer....
Snare xxx (feeling a tad sarcastic and tired)
CA - I think the point of contention is that agnosticism is usually reserved for somebody who thinks the question is unknowable. Just becasue somebody like myself allows for the extremely tiny possibility that a supernatural being exists doesn't really make me an agnostic. Its not as if I think its 50:50.
The word atheism needs to allow for some spectrum of certainty just as faith does. To me it simply means without (belief in) god.
what coffy just said
EP, you're driving me nuts! Maybe you should go read a science book or something to know why.
I already know why. I am driving you nuts because you want something to be true that isn't and it's frustrating for you.
For Christ Alone:
Oxford English Dictionary: about as authoritative as it gets.
atheism: disbelief in the existence of god; godlessness.
straight from the page.
EP, I think it falls under the 'jumping to conclusions" fallacy :)
It is under faulty deduction. Assuming that someone is not educated or has not read science books, without evidence for this (especially if it is just based on a difference of opinions), is jumping to conclusions.
Peace,
tammy
see, thats the confusing part charlie... im not opposed to the belief in god per say. I am willing to allow for it. If the big guy (or gal) wants to have a tete a tete im ready willng and able! I also am not godless, being willing to kiss thor's ass at any time, especially since he's evidently going to kill everyone on the east coast today with a hurricane of never before seen proportions. but really, at this point, im not on speaking terms with the big fella (or gal) so does that make me an athiest?
I dont feel the need to run around and convince the world that 'god is dead', although im happy to have a rational talk about why im not worried about pissing him off either. Is it simply saying that i havent seen any proof of god (although im willing to listen) that makes me an athiest, or does being an athiest require some sort of firm anti god stand?
I dont really like lables for things that are likely to change anyway. thats why im resistant to accept being called an athiest and worship thor until proven wrong or something better comes along. It keeps me out the athiest camp but allows for furture adustment as Odin, zeus or anyother god may require.
The only thing quoted from that book was that both atheists and theists use fallacies, rather be in hades. That was it. But you couldn't acceept that. Fine. I'm done talking with you. I prefer to talk with those that have some usefull thinking skills to contribute. And yes, that was scornful.
literally ..holy shit... Wo would have imagined the EVIDENCES for the existance of god
Snare and Racket, I've already discussed my direct evidence as being largely experiencial. So they would be of no use to you. No I don't hear voice or any of that garbage. And yes I know the arguments against experiencial evidence. I will not convince you of my experiences and I don't desire to anyway. They are my experiences. If experience has not shown you that God exists, that's fine for you.
I am driving you nuts because you want something to be true that isn't and it's frustrating for you.
I'm not frustrated. At least at no one but Rather be in hades who cannot debate intelligently. I'm frustrated at avoiding the points brought up and instead making general comments that have nothing to do with anything that I said.
Oxford English Dictionary: about as authoritative as it gets.
atheism: disbelief in the existence of god; godlessness.
straight from the page.
So I guess by saying disbelief in God 100%, I'm wrong? That seems to be the idea. So is it disbelief 99%? What's the ratio? I guess I'll avoid the 100% in the future? Sounds like trying to redefine the dictionary to me.
ElderE, you're asking me if you are an atheist?
well, from my knowledge and observation of what you say, I'd venture that you're not actually an atheist at all. Much more like an agnostic, it would seem to me, but hey, who am I to say?
there was a definition of an atheist posted a few posts ago, one that was submitted I think to the Senate...or court or council? I was surprised to read it. For me, it sounded much more like a definition of what over here w e would know as humanism.
No-one on here has mentioned humanism, not that I've noticed.
