Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"? (page 22)

You cannot say that atheists think that having a belief in gods is a life detriment. You do not understand atheism at all. It is entirely possible to think that belief in gods is positive and still be atheist. You of all people have no excuse.

Atheism is the absence of belief in god. That is it. You can infer nothing else from atheism.

I suggest you have a look at skepticism, humanism, rationalism, Marxism to name just a few systems of thought that may or may not include atheist foundations. Atheism does not engender any beliefs whatsoever. My lack of belief in Zeus does not equate to any proactive or reactive actions. My suspension of belief in Mormon god does not require that I replace it with any belief.

sabastious

Ready for a bit of correcting Sab?

Yes, because I could have wrote your post #3140 for you. I have heard it so many times.

-Sab

Soledad

some atheists come to a very reasonable conclusion that there is no god simply because they have no proof or even a shred of evidence that god exists. then there's so many inconsistencies between religion and the real universe that it calls into question the very nature of god.

the conclusion is no more reasonable then there is a god. somehow there is this prevailing belief that being an atheist is the pinnacle of reason and intelligence, something to aspire to. maybe for some, but again I think that's based more on negative emotion and experience than on reason.

you want to explain the sordid history of religion and how that can be reconciled by the "superior morals" of believers?

I don't believe that religion=god. That's why I'm an EXJW but not an atheist.

are you saying atheists have no moral code? i didn't realize atheists were the only ones running around committing crimes...

some do, more than religious people in some cases. but again, in my experience, the one's I know have a somewhat limited morality. They're very much "live for the moment" types.

Qcmbr

Sab - I write in when I see the same posts from believers so newcomers can read it. I am not expecting people to read my post history because that would be oddly egocentric. I think it it critical for people to understand what perception filters are because that is a key piece of self knowledge that explains many supposed answers to prayers, voices in the head and evidence for a belief.

cofty

soledad - are you an atheist trying to make theism sound outrageously ignorant?

rather be in hades

the conclusion is no more reasonable then there is a god. somehow there is this prevailing belief that being an atheist is the pinnacle of reason and intelligence, something to aspire to.

ummmm no? i've yet to meet an atheist who says that being an atheist is the "pinnacle of reason and intelligence" that's just flat out wrong on every level. if anything, an atheist would say learn some math and science.

maybe for some, but again I think that's based more on negative emotion and experience than on reason.

i get it, you read minds

I don't believe that religion=god. That's why I'm an EXJW but not an atheist.

fantastic. me too. exjw, not an atheist. that said, where did the concept of god come from? why are so many awful things done in the name of god and why hasn't god stopped any of that if he exists?

some do, more than religious people in some cases. but again, in my experience, the one's I know have a somewhat limited morality.

They're very much "live for the moment" types.

lmfao. so on a statistical sample of essentially nil...

Qcmbr

Soledad - you need to explain which god you argue for. Until you define your god beyond the single word you could well be arguing for Ganesh and I'll assume you are until you specify.

Now why would Ganesh be an equally valid conclusion to atheism in the face of physics , history and common sense (I find no anatomical evidence that supports elephant headed humanoids .)?

sabastious

My lack of belief in Zeus does not equate to any proactive or reactive actions.

Just to be clear, responding to this is tiresome, but I feel it's needed. You cannot equate your non belief of Zeus with your non belief of Christ simply because you never believed in Zeus to start with. Bringing up Zues, or any other false gods for that matter, just detracts from the main issue, that you stopped believing in Christ, the REAL God. I stopped believing in Christ too, check my post history for proof. But as I contemplated on what atheists like you had to say I realized that all your are doing is equating Christ, the real God, with Zeus a false one and then calling the real God also false (you are making a mistake). If you look into history you can see that gods were just a way of establishing order in a civilization. The people at the top of these governmental structures knew that it was their military prowess, among other secular pursuits, that created their power, NOT divine authority. But they claimed otherwise making them liars fit for destruction, and now they are gone.

Now, it's obvious that Christ was used by the ancient Romans as the new "god" they were using to control people, but that doesn't make Christ a false god at all, it just makes the Roman's liars too. If you look at what John the Baptist was doing, as per the Gospels, you will see what was happening in those times. The Jews were uprising and baptism was a symbol of that dissent against FALSE gods being used to control them. Anyone can take a bath in a river, that's why it was being used. John the Baptist and then Jesus of Nazarene were interested in creating a structure that was SEPARATE from the State because the State was using FALSE gods. I cannot stress this enough. Today modern goverments allow for freedom of religion which could not have happened if it were not for the martyrdom of John the Baptist and Jesus of Nazarene.

Atheism is not only the non belief in fake gods, it's the non belief in ALL gods even the ones that are real. They CANNOT demonstrate the non existence of a monotheistic entity in control of all things. Even though they really do give it their best effort. They are entitled to their opinion, but that's all it is, just an opinion.

-Sab

Chariklo

New Chapter,try to understand that all I was saying was that people who have spent years under the conditioning of the Watchtower have their understanding of God coloured by the stuff they are fed. So, they are taught about a punitive, judgemental Jehovah who only gives out his love conditional upon the behaviour of his subjects, a governing Jehovah whose kingdom appears to function like that of a primitive tyranny.

It is understandable that they simply haven't realised that Jesus came dispelling that idea by showing and telling of God's love, showing a father who counted the very hairs on the head, teaching that the poor and rejected are especially cherished.

New Chapter, please don't look for offence and insult where none is meant. On the other hand, as my father used to say, if you look for hurt and offence you will always find it, whether it is real or not.

On your other point, you clearly haven't understood me. Atheists expressing their views are fine. Atheists pouring scorn on the views of others aren't. Seems fairly obvious to me.

Why are atheists so intent on scorning "believers"?

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