From what I've read, you needn't worry about today's rules for today's rules may not be tomorrow's practice.
Why waste the energy?
by Kate82 51 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
From what I've read, you needn't worry about today's rules for today's rules may not be tomorrow's practice.
Why waste the energy?
Let me write this before a jw apologist does. They will say that every rule they have is based on bible principles. They will give you a reason for each rule. The problem is that this is what the Pharisees of the Jews did too. God said to observe the sabbath and not work on that day. So the Pharisees took that and created hundreds of rules as to what constituted "work". Jesus condemned them and said that they weighed people down with all their rules. Jesus preached true Christian freedom. The wt does not and imitates the Jews of Jesus time in their hundreds of rules that involve literally EVERY aspect of your life.
The fact is, there are so many rules it is literally impossible to list them all.
Also to go further with whtahappened's post there is well known experience of a circuit overseer that held up the bible. Years ago the jw bible was green. He said, "brothers, if the watchtower tells you that this bible is red...then brothers, IT IS RED!!
edit: wow!!! I hadn't noticed that cofty already wrote this!!! You can see how we'll known it was, huh?
Kate, like others said before, the "rules'' of living are far less a problem than the fact that you cannot even have a private thought that is different to what ever the Governing Body tell you.
From a letter to elders, sept 1 1980: "keep in mind that to be disfellowshipped, an apostate does not have to be a promoter of apostate veiws.... If a baptized christian abandons the teachings of jehovah, as presented* by the faithful and discret slave**, and persists in believing other doctrine...then he is apostasizing"
* Subject to change without notice **now the Governing Body members (8)
Add to that, the Watchtower magazine of 1 august 2001: "A mature christian...He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding"
Alarm bells should be ringing loud and clear girl. This IS NOT some alternate religion you can be with to worship God. This IS a high control group that will micro manage your every thought and action. They will mess up your life, it is too late for you to go any further with them. What you have seen on this site and others cannot be unseen and will stay with you as doubts that will pop up later and will have to be squashed or you will end up, in one year or ten, in a very bad way as they try to kick you out if you dont shut up, or lose a husband who wont stay with you...
RUN FROM THEM
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Most important thing to know about baptism. Once you are baptized, if you break any rules, you may be disfellowshipped.
Usually, they won't worry too much until you have much invested in the religion. While you are new, you can show up for boasting sessions dressed in casual business attire, or even in jeans and presentable shirt, and they won't say too much about it. They present the religion as liberating at this stage.
Once you join the Theocraptic Misery "School(??)", you will be expected to start living up to some of the standards. You must at this point be free from drug abuse, fornication, not an active member of another church, and totally free from whatever they feel as "Satanic". This means no celebrating holidays or birthdays, either. Then, once you become an unbaptized publisher, you must be totally free from other churches, and start getting regular in field circus. At this point, if you mess up, you are regarded as "a worldly person that knows something about the truth", and they might view you as "bad associations". It doesn't go beyond this at this point.
However, once you are baptized, you get hit with the full force of all the rules. You are now expected to obey the organization, no matter what. They can change a doctrine, you are now required to abide by and teach the new doctrine even if it is blatantly wrong. You can now "stumble" others merely by getting 3 or 4 ounces of silver, listening to music that is barely objectionable, or not having the latest "in" suits and dresses. You are now required to be regular in field circus, and if you drop off in hours, you will be hounded about it. You will be hounded if you quit attending boasting sessions. You are now subject to the most picky rules, rules that the Pharisees would be right at home enforcing. Not to mention, mandatory shunning if you break the rules.
Also, once you are baptized, you are subject to that "brazen conduct" rule. At this point, if a hounder decides that having rechargeable batteries and a good charger is "not trusting in Jehovah", they will hound you to get rid of it (even though they will be the ones left in pitch dark when the lights go out for this storm now, and the energy crisis to follow). You keep yours just for this storm, they will later haul you in for "brazen conduct" even if you were the only one to have working flashlights during the blackout. They can do this for anything, even if you are wearing a navy blue suit and the hounder wants you wearing a [bad luck] dark gray suit instead. Once they hound you to do or quit doing something, in person or from the platform, and you are still not compliant, you are committing "brazen conduct" and, at their discretion, will "correct" it. If it means trashing your life, so be it--or that "I would hate to have to disfellowship you, but your continued having NiMH batteries and a charger after we told you that it was not trusting in Jehovah amounts to brazen conduct. If you still have those items, we will have to form a judicial committee for "brazen conduct"."
There are many things they won't tell you prior to baptism. They will mainly show you the nice side.
Would you want to get baptised to an organisation that won't tell you the full extent of what you are getting involved in until after you have made a contract with them?
You deserve to know the full facts. Don't you find it odd that you have to ask ex-JWs what the rules are? That should be a big warning sign.
As was brought out by a jw on Kate's other thread, if you don't agree with them, you don't love god or the bible.
Kate...........
Did we scare you off?
Please read it all over carefully and share your thoughts.
Doc
agree with HECCE 1 million % ,the most important rule is to forget them and run away from them.