Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

by Christ Alone 295 Replies latest jw friends

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Germs? Other solar systems? DNA? Cells? Just to give a brief example. All things we cannot see without a tool to help us see it, and because of which, did not know even existed.

    I'm sure you could list some things, but here is something to consider. When we didn't know the existence of these things, or their makeup, we made superstitious guesses based on belief systems. We turned out to be wrong every time. So I would say that there may be things out there that we have not yet detected or measured. What are those thing? I don't know. OR I could take the course that humankind has for its history, and take a guess, believe in my guess with all my heart, and then most likely be proven wrong. It's the teapot argument. I can't prove that a teapost is not orbiting the earth right now. But I can hypothesize. The problem is when I mistake my hypothesis for a fact. I could so believe in this hypothesis that I will be confident that one day science will find the teapot. That doesn't make it true, no matter how much I believe it is there.

    Why stop at teapot? T rex is floating around the earth. Heaven is made of jelly beans. We just can't measure it yet. That's the point we are trying to make. Until we have some evidence to follow, then we have nothing but guesswork. Some of us conclude that we are okay with an unanswered question, and we really don't need to fill the gap with gods, aliens, or undetected energy.

    You can say whatever you want to say about what has never been detected. We all can, but it is not an argument.

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    You paint a picture of a woefully impotent god...cofty?

    Or of one who grants freedom, allowing us to live and to learn, without forcing himself upon us....tec

    Yeah...it's like he's not even here...LOL

  • Chariklo
    Chariklo
    Tammy - You paint a picture of a woefully impotent god.

    No. More of a god who gives everyone complete free will. You can choose to believe in him or not. Free choice.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    You can choose to believe in the Flying Spagetti Monster or not, it don't make him real.

    Watch out for His noodly appendage though !

  • Heaven
    Heaven

    Yeah...it's like he's not even here...LOL

    That's pretty much the answer I got when I asked THE question that everyone eventually asks (or at least thinks about)... 'Why doesn't God step in a fix things? Why does he allow suffering?'

    Logical answer: He doesn't exist.

    All other answers contradict what we've been taught about 'Sky Daddy' loving and caring about us. I know no loving human parent that would let their child suffer from malnutrition, hunger, disease, absessed teeth, broken bones, etc if it is within their power to end such suffering.

    Watch out for His noodly appendage though !

    Still waiting to be touched by it.

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    Watch out what you wish for Heaven....this is the last person he touched......true story....

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    These guys are experts and taking on the noodle appendage....don't try this at home folks!

  • cofty
    cofty

    Though I am sure that I could not convince someone who does not have faith, - Tammy

    Your god could though - heal an amputee before my very eyes and I will believe.

    We have to conclude he is impotent or non-existent. All your multiple convoluted excuses are just handwaving.

    More of a god who gives everyone complete free will. You can choose to believe in him or not. - charilko

    Why does he not provide a shred of evidence of his existence then? How do you explain the "hiddenness of god"?

    How would a world without god look any different for the world we live in now which is devoid of god's presence.

    Does god do anything apart from simply existing?

  • Healthworker
    Healthworker

    stay on topic guys and let new readers vote

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    Are you saying the noodle god is not real Healthworker? It is on topic. No one specified WHICH god...and I did ask a few pages ago...

    I'm not stopping anyone from voting...are you?

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