Zeitgeist The Movie (page 3)

mP

ChristALone:

or example they say that the term Sun Set comes from Horus being the Sun God and Set (meaning darkness) being his brother. That doesn't work. For a few reasons. Horus is NOT the Sun God. Osiris is. SETH was not Horus' brother but his uncle. And Seth was not the God of darkness but the God of storm. The actual fight between the sun and night was a fight between Ra and Apopi. Bad scholarship. Another reason is that Sun and Set are english words that do not refer to either Horus or Seth.

mP:

Egypt is a very old place, to think that their concept of a solar god was stationary for the entire country is complete wrong. Even the jews int he Bible give God many names. Abraham did not know Jehovah, but he called his god "El Shaddai" (Ex 3). At other times god is called Jehovah , Adonai, Amen, Lord, Jehovah of armies, El Elyon and so on. Nothing in human history is stationary, everything changes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra

Ra ( play / r ?? / ) [1] or Re ( play / r e? / or / r i? / ; Egyptian: R? ) was the ancient Egyptian solar deity. By the Fifth Dynasty he had become a major god in ancient Egyptian religion, identified primarily with the midday sun. The meaning of the name is uncertain, but it is thought that if not a word for 'sun' it may be a variant of or linked to words meaning 'creative power' and 'creator'. [2]

The major cult centre of Ra was Heliopolis (called Iunu, "Place of Pillars", in Egyptian), [3] where he was identified with the local sun-god Atum. Through Atum, or as Atum-Ra he was also seen as the first being and the originator of the Ennead, consisting of Shu and Tefnut, Geb and Nut, Osiris, Set, Isis and Nephthys.

As well can see here, different aspects of the Sun had different names, Ra, Amun, Aton. Funny how all these names also appear in jewish and xian theology as magic words. What are the odds of that ?

Why do xians say Egyptian amen, instead of just saying the meaning behind the word ? Its obvious this magic chant is more important than the meaning otherwise they would not be repeating it verbatim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

Why is Horus holding a cross just like the xians ?

Mythological roles

r?-?r-3?ty "Re-Harachte"
in hieroglyphs

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Since Horus was said to be the sky, he was considered to also contain the sun and moon.

mP

Christ:

Again the connection is attempted with Krishna. He also was not a sun god, was not born on Dec 25, was not born of a virgin (was actually the 8th son of Devaki and Mathura), Died from an arrow wound in 3102 and was never raised again

mP:

How can you explain why hindu religion has references to Abraham and Sarah thousands of years before they supposedly lived ?

Brahma=Abraham, Saraswati=Sarah. Who copied who ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma

Brahma ( Sanskrit : ??????? ; IAST : Brahma ) is the Hindu god ( deva ) of creation and one of the Trimurti , the others being Vi?nu and Siva . According to the Brahma Purana , he is the father of Manu , and from Manu all human beings are descended. In the Ramayana and the Mahabharata , he is often referred to as the progenitor or great grandsire of all human beings. He is not to be confused with the Supreme Cosmic Spirit in Hindu Vedanta philosophy known as Brahman , which is genderless. Brahma's wife is Saraswati . S

tec

Can you explain how the church so easily adopted this birthday if it was sooo wrong in the 300s ?

Actually, if you think it is true, then why don't you show me why you think it is true?

Then continue to show me the myths and legends that state all the other 'god-men' that the movie claims, as having a December 25th birthday. Becasue most of them don't mention anything about that at all.

Jewish worship was all about nature, passover = spring equinox, roshashana = autumn equinox.

Because nature makes for an excellent metaphor. The seen, as metaphor, for the unseen.

Libra scales are of justice/balance, btw. Not judgment. I should know ;)

Peace,

tammy

mP

Christ:

Another connection was attempted with Dionysus. Again, he ws not a sun god. He WAS the god of wine, but the connection to Jesus stops there. He was NOT born on Dec 25, was dismembered by Titan and resurrected by Apollo. He had hundreds of FEMALE disciples.

Another connection was attempted with Mithra. He was not a sun God, he was born on Dec 21st, was born from a rock, never died, and did not have any disciples.

mP:

The vine story and comparisons of Jesus are there because of Dionysus. The gospel author was attempting to show parallels of equivalence between Dionysus and Jesus. Most of what Jesus says only makes sense if one knows about the symbology and myth of D.

Like most people you fail to appreciate why there were saviour gods in the ancient world. THey were very much worried about the cold, death of winter and eagerly awaited when the sun would return and give life and growth to animals and crops and so on. THis is why anniversaries of thew inter solstice where the sun begins to grow, or spring equinox where the sun finally conquers the cold of winter are so important. THe autum equixnox is the time of judgement because its the time one gather the crops, vineyards etc and judges the value of good of harvest.

The story of samson is of course solar. Samsun for starters means sun. Most of his travels are a parallel in some form of Hercules.

mP

Christ:

Possibly the SILLIEST connection that Zeitgiest tries to make is to compare the SUN to the SON. If you watch the video above you will see how ridiculous this is. It's an bad English pun and does not work.

mP:
You fail to understand the point. THere are an many references to Egyptian and solar dieties in our language. THese homages show an ultimate source or origin to these gods.

Just start to examine the number of parallels to the Sun in xianity, SUNday, XMAS(Winter solstice), EASTER(spring equixno), easter eggs, easter bunny, easter(ishtar), ATUM, AMEN , solomon, samsun, the book of ishtar ( =esther) etc.

tec

Dat-a-Dog, this is a pretty good site for all the info being presented clearly and in one place. (providing you need to do further searching for your own peace of mind) Not perfect, I'm sure, but pretty good. He lists all of his sources so you can verify for yourself, what some of those 'claims' state.

http://www.kingdavid8.com/

peace,

tammy

NoStonecutters

mP, the absurd son-sun connection was popularized by Dorothy M, Murdock (Acharya S) and has been refuted and laughed at by even secular scholars.

NoStonecutters

Zeitgeist is Theosophy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdBxvEfXSx4

Zeitgeist The Movie

Mythological roles

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