He's going to get a life sentence for sure
Probably, but the district attorney would have to be on serious drugs if he dos not go for the death penalty in this case.
Latest Cable News Updates on Killer Jonathan Holt And The Murdered Young Oregon Barista Whitney Heichel
by Scott77 36 Replies latest jw experiences
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james_woods
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LynneTerry
Hello -
I'm a reporter for The Oregonian and am looking for anyone who knows/knew Jonathan Holt for a story. Please contact me: [email protected]. I'm not interested in speculation or hearsay. I just want details about who he is/was. Thanks.
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james_woods
Have you had an interview with his wife, LynnTerry?
I have not seen anybody here on this ex-JW forum who was formerly acquainted with him directly.
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undercover
I'm not interested in speculation or hearsay. I just want details about who he is/was. Thanks.
We'd like some details on who he was too...especially as it relates to his connection with the local Kingdom Hall of JWs. But unfortunately on this site about all you're gonna get is speculation.
This is an ex-JW board...people disgruntled with the JW religion. We can give you insight on how the JW religion and the Watchtower Bible Society works, but as far as the Heinchel/Holt case, we don't know anything other than what we read in the papers and on JW Facebook posts.
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james_woods
It would be interesting to know if the reporter above has tried to interview the elders of that congregation, and what response she got from them - right, Undercover?
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sir82
I'm pretty sure the elders there got direct "counsel" from "mother" not to say one...single...word....about this case to anyone.
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undercover
It would be interesting to know if the reporter above has tried to interview the elders of that congregation, and what response she got from them
Yep...it sure would be...
but I'm sure Sir is right. "Tick a lock"
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Scott77
"...This is an ex-JW board...people disgruntled with the JW religion. We can give you insight on how the JW religion and the Watchtower Bible Society works,..." undercover I agree with undercover. Our inside knowledge of the internal working of the Watchtower would matchless. LynneTerry, do not forget to ask many of us here.
Scott77
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skeeter1
I read the police affidavit.
I guess Jonathan Holt was into guns as he and his dad bought guns. Funny, because one would think that JW men are not into guns becuase they preach so much against violence towards other men. Strangely, but my JW father (who was a draft dodger before it was cool - Korean War becuase he beleived in non-violence and a pioneer of many years) actually loved guns & knives & war movies. He even made his own knives and knife handles. My JW father could be violent towards his own family, and had the book study removed from our house becuase he once went for a gun. If he felt cornered with no way out, he wanted back-up. He once was beat up in field service, and used a weapon. He'd sit for hours in front of the TV, watching war movies. Other JW men I knew had guns too, but always said they were for "hunting." Well, I knew one teenaged boy who kept a gun in the glovebox of his truck. He'd brandished it at other drivers if they made him mad. He was an elder's son. But, his mother & father thought he was so sweet I also knew an elderly sister who loved guns and was a sharp shooter in her day.
Jonanthan Holt was also into child pornography. His victim had childish qualities to her face. Geesh! Know wonder the Watchtower Society keeps writing letters to elders, pedophile cases abound, etc.
It seems like Jonathan Holt was an extreme, typical "cocky" JW male, with a double life, if you ask me. The most extreme people end up in the most funadmental groups. Or, is it the fundamental groups that cause one to become extreme! Who knows. Did the fundy come before the nutcase, or did the nutcase come before the fundy? LOL.
Does the reporter know of the recent letters from mother to the elders on pornography, how to handle crimes, and the elder's new duty of figuring out who is a true pervert? The reporter needs to get into the Kingdom Hall & Bethel's files. The elders probably have an inch thick file on this turd. But, yeah, the elders ain't gonna talk. If they do, they are going to tell alot of white lies to get away from Holt. And, JWs & elders speak a whole different language then worldly reporter. Words they say will not "catch meaning" in the reporter's mind. It's so easy to completely white-wash a reporter or worldly into thinking that nothing's wrong, all while the cult's "loaded laguage" goes right over the reporter's head. Blondie on this site is probably one of the best for deciphering cult speak. There are alot who are willing to help out.
Sorry, don't know Holt. We are mainly shunned people. If we can get someone from the area, then you have a chance. Flipper is out West, I'll PM him to look at this thread. Since he gathers ex-Dubs for picnics, perhaps he know.
There is one way to find people who knew him, go undercover. Show up at the Kingdom Hall with a Bible, Watchtower, etc. Say you are from another town, or grew up in the Truth (in another town) and wanted to get back. In a few months, you'll know alot. Posters Blondie or Atlantis usually knows what is being studied. Drive a different car to the Kingdom Hall. The elders will probably follow you for a little bit, to make sure you are legit. So, don't drive to and from your house. They will probably go through your mailbox and sit outside where you live. If you can fake a double life, you'll get into the group. And if you can donate $$$$$, they will accept you more readily.
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skeeter1
Hey Oregonian Reporter,
Where does Angela Montgomery live? Maybe you should interview her!
"Unfortunately, Jehovah’s Witnesses attending Gresham’s Kingdom Hall have not only suffered this dual tragedy involving Whitney Heichel and Jonathan Holt, but also have a female member of their congregation charged by Murfreesboro (TN) police with child abuse against her own children. Angela Montgomery, 50, a former “pioneer” member of the congregation, faces felony charges and trial in a Tennessee court for crimes alleged to have occurred in that state. She reportedly lives within two miles of the Heichels and attended meetings in the same Hall." http://ex-jw.com/tragedy-in-gresham-oregon
Jehovah’s Witness Regular Pioneer… Sister Angela Montgomery faces charges of raping her children…
Mother charged with 2 rapes
Former resident returns to 'Boro to face accusations
11:03 PM, Sep 5, 2012 | https://www.tennessean.com/article/D4/20120906/NEWS/309060021/Mother-charged-2-rapes
MURFREESBORO — A Portland, Ore., woman accused of raping her two children when she lived here more than 10 years ago could face more charges as a Murfreesboro Police Department investigation unfolds.
Angela Montgomery, 50, was charged by Murfreesboro Police Detective Wayne Lawson in late August with the crime, after her two children gave the detective “detailed statements” about rapes and sexual assaults they had suffered at the hands of their mother when they lived on South Kings Highway.
Lawson began what became a more than eight-month-long investigation when he was approached by Montgomery’s two children, a 21-year-old man and 15-year-old girl, back in mid-January.
“The victims advised the events occurred approximately 10 years ago .... when they lived on South Kings Highway,” Lawson reported. “After several months of reviewing records and past statements, warrants were obtained on Ms. Montgomery for two counts of child rape with more charges pending.”
Montgomery turned herself into the jail Aug. 21 after Lawson obtained those warrants, according to a booking officer at the Rutherford County jail.
Her bond was set at $10,000, and she posted the required 10 percent on that same day.
— Mark Bell, 615-278-5153
