Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-11-2012 WT Study (PATIENCE0

In this article there are at least 31 references to patience or some form of that word. Even in the Theocratic School repetition for emphasis is 3 times. The rank and file are getting restless. As the generation of 1975 dies off, more and more wonder about the perceived promise of the WTS that they would live into the new system, never dying. Do you have relatives or jws you know that believe that who are approaching 70 or 80 and are facing death soon?

*** w90 5/1 p.28par.19***

Thus, people who today exercise faith in God and in his Son have the thrilling hope of surviving this system’s end and continuing alive into God’s new world—never dying at all!

*** w83 7/1 p.23 par.21***

Unquestionably, so late in this “time of the end” since the end of the Gentile Times in 1914, there are many live men and women of faith and integrity who will never die off the face of the earth, God’s footstool. What an unusual opportunity lies ahead of them! Because of never dying and being buried, they will need no resurrection of the dead during the thousand-year-long reign of Jesus Christ.

HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?

How has Jehovah shown that he is patient?

Why has Jesus had to be patient for a long time?

What steps can we take to strengthen godly patience?

1. What do some faithful ones wonder about?

A FAITHFUL sister who endured many challenges

throughout several decades humbly

asked, “Will I see the end before I die?”

Some who have long served Jehovah wonder about

the same thing. We yearn for the day when God

makes all things new, removing the problems we

now face. (Rev. 21:5) Though we have ample reason

for believing that the end of Satan’s system is very

near, it can be difficult to wait patiently for that day.

COMMENTS

My mother and her family were such “faithful ones” all dead now after waiting 60 years to enter the new system without ever dying. I wonder what went through their minds as they breathed their last, as their contemporaries watched them breath their last hoping the end would come before they died?

2. What questions about godly patience will we consider?

2 Yet, the Bible shows that we must have patience.

Like God’s servants before us, we will receive what

God has promised if we have strong faith and wait

patiently for his time to fulfill those promises. (Read

Hebrews 6:11, 12.) Jehovah himself has been patient.

He could have put an end to wickedness at any

time, but he is waiting for the right time. (Rom. 9:

20-24) Why is he so patient? How has Jesus been an

example of godly patience? What benefits will come

to us if we cultivate godly patience? The answers to

these questions can help us to build patience and

strong faith, even if it might seem to us that Jehovah

is delaying.

COMMENTS

God’s servants = only members of the WTS since 1879

God can be patient, 6,000 years of human history (WTS interpretation) has only been 6 days for him.

Humans = 1,000 years = 1,000 years

God = 1,000 years = 1 day

(2 Peter3:8,9) 8 However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9 Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.

And per the WTS Jesus lived for millions of years with God in heaven, so he has a similar perspective very different from humans.

WHY DOES JEHOVAH SHOW PATIENCE?

3, 4. (a) Why has Jehovah shown patience in carrying out

his purpose for the earth? (b) How did Jehovah respond to the

rebellion in Eden?

3 Jehovah has good reason for showing patience.

It is true that he holds ultimate authority over the

universe at all times; still, the rebellion in Eden

raised questions of universal importance. Jehovah

has been patient, knowing that it would take time to

answer those questions perfectly. Having thorough

knowledge of the deeds and attitudes of

individuals in heaven and on earth, he

certainly is acting in our best interests.

—Heb. 4:13.

COMMENTS

Where in the Bible is universal sovereignty mentioned? The WTS has to insert the words in the footnotes.

Messiah came in 29 C.E.

Jesus came again in (1874) 1914

What’s left to answer; according to the WTS the human race is on borrowed time as well as Satan and demons. It is been (138) 98 years since the questions have been answered. Even Noah was only told 50 years before the Flood. (though God pronounced the end 120 years before the flood).

4 It was Jehovah’s purpose that the

descendants of Adam and Eve fill the

earth. When Satan seduced Eve and

then Adam disobeyed, God did not

abandon his purpose. He did not panic,

make hasty decisions, or overreact,

giving up on the human family. Instead,

he conceived a way to accomplish what

he purposed for humans and for planet

Earth. (Isa. 55:11) To fulfill his purpose

and vindicate his sovereignty, Jehovah

has exercised great self-control and patience,

even waiting thousands of years

for some aspects of his purpose to work

out the best way.

COMMENTS

So Eve did not disobey?

So is the WTS saying that God is capable of panicking, making hasty decisions, overreacting, giving up?

So while God has waited 6 days, the human race has been waiting 6,000 years dying short, diseased lives.

5. Jehovah’s patience allows for what blessing?

5 Another reason why Jehovah has

waited patiently is so that more people

can have everlasting life. Right now,

he is making preparations to save “a

great crowd.” (Rev. 7:9, 14; 14:6) Jehovah

reaches out to people by means of our

preaching work, inviting them to learn

about his Kingdom and his righteous

standards. The Kingdom message is the

best possible news for humankind—yes,

it is “good news.” (Matt. 24:14) Each person

whom Jehovah draws becomes part

of a worldwide congregation of genuine

friends who love what is right. (John 6:

44-47) Our loving God helps such ones

to gain his approval. He has also been

selecting from among humankind prospective

members of his heavenly government.

Upon gaining their heavenly

position, these devoted ones will help

obedient humans to reach perfection

and endless life. Clearly, even while he

is patiently waiting, Jehovah has been

working to fulfill his promises—for our

good.

COMMENTS

So if he has been giving more people a chance at everlasting life, why stop now and give more people a chance. The WTS says that God is not going to give these people a chance as individuals, that some will die eternally without having a personal witness, including children.

*** w10 9/15 p.10 par.12***

We recognize that the end could come at any time; Jehovah’s timing is not contingent on our giving a personal witness to every individual on the planet. (Matt. 10:23)

*** w00 1/15 p.13 par.17***

True, untouched territories still exist, and it may be that in Jehovah’s due time, a large door leading to greater activity will open. (1 Corinthians 16:9) Nevertheless, the Bible does not state that Jehovah will wait until every individual on earth has received a personal witness. Rather, the good news must be preached to Jehovah’s satisfaction. Then the end will come.—Compare Matthew 10:23.

Remember though that these “anointed” who go to heaven after resurrection as an immortal spirit become perfect immediately and don’t have to wait 1,000 years and pass the “final test.” Are they special somehow?

6. (a) In what sense did Jehovah show patience

in Noah’s day? (b) How is Jehovah showing

patience in our day?

6 Jehovah is patient despite extreme

provocation, as we can see from the

way he dealt with wickedness before the

Flood. The earth was then filled with immorality

and violence, and Jehovah was

“hurt at his heart” because of the degenerate

condition of man. (Gen. 6:2-8)

He would not tolerate that situation forever,

so he determined to bring a flood

upon disobedient mankind. While “the

patience of God was waiting in Noah’s

days,” Jehovah made preparations to

save Noah and his family. (1 Pet. 3:20) At

the appropriate time, Jehovah informed

Noah of this decision and assigned him

to build an ark. (Gen. 6:14-22) In addition,

Noah was “a preacher of righteousness,”

telling his neighbors of the impending

destruction. (2 Pet. 2:5) Jesus

said that our time is similar to the days

of Noah. Jehovah has decided when he

will bring this wicked system to an end.

No human knows the “day and hour”

when that will come. (Matt. 24:36) At

this time, we have the God-given work

of warning people and telling them how

they can be saved.

COMMENTS

So how patient has God been?

Destroyed all humans living (except 8) at the Flood, eternally.

Destroyed all humans living in Sodom & Gomorrah, eternally except for 3. Did Lot and his family “preach” to them first?

Destroyed 1,100,000 Jews in 70 C.E. (fortunately they have a hope of being resurrected)

The WTS talks around the real issue, the destruction of this wicked system means the eternal destruction of all non-jw humans, men, women, and children even if they have not had a personal witness.

While the WTS says no human knows the DAY and the HOUR, they have named YEARS: 1914, 1915, 1925, 1975….

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

7. Is Jehovah slow to fulfill his promises? Explain.

7 Clearly, Jehovah’s patience does not

mean that he is simply waiting for time

to pass. No, we should never confuse his

patience with inattentiveness or apathy!

Realistically, though, it can be challenging

to keep this in mind as we grow older

or suffer in this wicked system. We

might become discouraged or feel that

God is slow to fulfill his promises. (Heb.

10:36) Never forget that he has good

reasons for being patient and that he is

employing the intervening time for the

benefit of his loyal servants. (2 Pet. 2:3;

3:9) Consider, too, how Jesus exercised

godly patience.

COMMENTS

Does God care about individuals? Ever read the phrase “as a group”?

*** w11 11/15 p.4 par.5***

Yet, God’s people as a group will survive because they are taking refuge in Jehovah.

*** w09 3/15 p.26 par.8***

Because of obeying such commands, God’s servants on earth today now number some seven million. Who can deny that his people have become “mighty in the earth”? (John 10:16; Rev. 7:9, 14) And how “blessed” they will yet be as God carries out his purpose! As a group, those with an earthly hope will be preserved through the coming “great tribulation” to form “a new earth” in which “righteousness is to dwell.”

HOW HAS JESUS SET

A FINE EXAMPLE OF PATIENCE?

8. Under what circumstances did Jesus show

patience?

8 Jesus is doing the will of God and

has eagerly done so for untold millenniums.

When Satan rebelled, Jehovah

decided that his only-begotten Son

would come to earth as the Messiah.

Think of what that meant for Jesus—patiently

waiting thousands of years till

the time had come. (Read Galatians

4:4.) He was not passively waiting all

that time; rather, he was occupied with

the work that his Father assigned him.

When he eventually came to earth, he

knew that he would have to die at the

hands of Satan, as prophesied. (Gen. 3:

15; Matt. 16:21) He patiently submitted

to God’s will, though this meant suffering

agonizing pain. His was loyalty of

the highest kind. He was not focusing

on himself and his position, and we can

benefit from that.—Heb. 5:8, 9.

COMMENTS

Remember though that it has been like 6 days to Jesus, not like 6,000 years to humans, and Jesus except for 29 years was in the loop in heaven and on earth. After Jesus went back to heaven, what was he doing, no kingdom until 1874 or 1914. So for a few hours his last day on earth he went through agonizing pain. I had a friend die this month after 2 years of agonizing pain.

9, 10. (a) What has Jesus been doing while

patiently waiting for Jehovah to act? (b) How

should we view Jehovah’s timetable?

9 After his resurrection, Jesus received

authority in heaven and on earth. (Matt.

28:18) He uses that authority to accomplish

Jehovah’s purpose according to the

timetable God has set. Jesus patiently

waited at God’s right hand until 1914 for

his enemies to be placed as a stool for

his feet. (Ps. 110:1, 2; Heb. 10:12, 13) He

soon will go into action to bring an end

to Satan’s system. Meanwhile, Jesus patiently

works with people and leads

them to “waters of life.”—Rev. 7:17.

COMMENTS

Did Jesus exercise his authority over all humans or just his followers per the WTS?

33 C.E. to 1914 (1874) = 1881 years, about 2 “days” he waited

SOON = 1874 (1914) to 2012 = 98 to 138 years

Satan’s system = all 7 plus billions non-jw humans, men, women and children, dead eternally

10 Do you see in Jesus’ example the

way you should view Jehovah’s timetable?

Jesus was no doubt eager to do

whatever his Father asked of him; still,

he was willing to wait for God’s time. As

we await the end of Satan’s wicked system,

we all need godly patience, never

running ahead of God or giving up because

we are discouraged. What can we

do to build such godly patience?

COMMENTS

Jesus was eager to do what God asked of him, not what the imperfect religious elders asked of him.

http://bible.cc/matthew/15-9.htm

Mark 3:1-6/ New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Heals on the Sabbath

3 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.” Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent. He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

Matthew 12:9-14

[The Sabbath was Saturday, that is, the 7th day of the week. When God made the world, he rested on the Sabbath. And God's law says that we should not work on the Sabbath.]

Jesus went into a *synagogue. Some *Pharisees were with him. They wanted to see what he would do. They hoped that they could accuse him. There was a man there with a hand that he could not use. Some writers have guessed that he was a stonemason. [A stonemason cuts and shapes stones for building. He needs to be able to use both hands.] This man could not work. He had to ask other people for money. Jesus felt love and sympathy for the man. But these *Pharisees did not care about the man. They believed that to cure someone was ‘work’. The *Pharisees thought they would be able to accuse Jesus now. Jesus knew their thoughts. So, he spoke to them.

Matthew 12:11 He said to them, “Let us suppose that one of you has a sheep. The sheep falls into a deep hole in the ground on the Sabbath day. You would rescue that sheep. A man is much more important than a sheep! So, it is right to do something good on the Sabbath day.”

Jesus then told the man to stand in front of everyone. He told him to lift his hand. When the man did this, his hand was immediately healthy. It was just like his other hand.

http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/15-commands-of-men.html

End of Satan’s wicked system = the permanent death of 7 plus billion non-jws, men, women and children.

How many times has the WTS run ahead of God?

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

1874—presence of Jesus or 1914

1914—the end or the beginning of Jesus ruling

1925—indisputable facts that the end would come, the ancient worthies resurrected a perfect men to rule in Jerusalem

1975………..

HOW DO I CULTIVATE GODLY PATIENCE?

11. (a) In what way is there a connection between

faith and patience? (b) Why do we have

valid reasons for having strong faith?

11 Before Jesus came to earth, the

prophets and other faithful servants set

an example of how even imperfect humans

can endure patiently. There was a

direct link between their faith and their

patience. (Read James 5:10, 11.) If they

did not truly believe what Jehovah had

told them—if they lacked faith—would

they have waited patiently for the fulfillment

of his promises? Time and again, they met

frightening or challenging

tests of faith, confident that God

would eventually do what he had promised.

(Heb. 11:13, 35-40) We have even

more reason for having solid faith, for Jesus

now serves as the “Perfecter of our

faith.” (Heb. 12:2) He fulfilled prophecy

and revealed God’s purposes in a way

that gives us valid reasons for having

faith.

COMMENTS

Endure patiently = but were they told the end would come in their lifetime?

So do we have any more visual evidence about Jesus than Abraham did; rather Abraham conversed directly with God one on one, have you, does the WTS suggest we can?

12. What might we do to build our faith?

12 What practical steps can we take

to strengthen our faith, building up our

patience? It is key that we apply God’s

counsel. For instance, reflect on reasons

that you have for putting the Kingdom

first in your life. Can you put

forth increased effort to apply the counsel

found at Matthew 6:33? That might

mean spending more time in the ministry

or adjusting some aspects of your

lifestyle. Do not overlook how Jehovah

has blessed your efforts up till now. He

might have enabled you to conduct a

new Bible study or helped you to receive

“the peace of God that excels all

thought.” (Read Philippians 4:7.) As you

thus focus on benefits that you personally

have received from following Jehovah’s

instructions, you will increase

your appreciation for patience.—Ps.

34:8.

COMMENTS

So what were the reasons you put the Kingdom first…be specific?

Why does the WTS concentrate on more hours rather than being more effective in presentation, truly caring that the people you talk too are facing eternal destruction?

Adjust lifestyle, sell house, rent a shack, dumpster diving, goodwill clothing, leeching off jws with cars, no vacations except conventions, no car insurance, no health insurance, no children, save money folks.

Following God’s instructions or humans on the GB interpretations?

13. How might we illustrate the process of

building faith and patience?

13 This process is similar to the cycle

in the natural world of sowing, cultivating,

and reaping. Each time a farmer

reaps bountifully, he becomes more confident

about sowing seed the next season.

Of course, he then will have to wait

patiently for the harvest, but that will

not hold him back from planting seed,

perhaps even sowing seed in more fields

than he did the season before. He trusts

that he will reap. Similarly, as we repeat

this cycle of learning Jehovah’s counsel,

following it, and then reaping the benefits,

our trust in Jehovah grows. Our

faith likewise grows, and it becomes

easier to wait for the blessings we know

will come.—Read James 5:7, 8.

COMMENTS

So how many jws even plant a little garden, let alone have time to waste on being farmers. And you don’t have to wait 138 years to reap from a garden.

14, 15. We need to have what view of human

suffering?

14 Another way to develop patience is

by considering how we should view the

world and our personal circumstances.

Try to look at matters as Jehovah does.

For example, think about how he views

human suffering. He has long been

pained when humans suffer; yet, he has

not been overcome with grief, incapable

of doing good. He sent his only-begotten

Godly patience will help you to focus on

Kingdom interests and reap blessings!

Son “to break up the works of the Devil”

and undo all the damage Satan has

brought upon humans. (1 John 3:8) In

reality, the suffering will prove to have

been temporary, but God’s solution is

eternal. Similarly, instead of letting

ourselves become overwhelmed by the

present wickedness of Satan’s rule or

impatient about when it will end, let us

put faith in the unseen things that will

last forever. Jehovah has set a specific

limit for wickedness, and he will act

right on time.—Isa. 46:13; Nah. 1:9.

COMMENTS

How does God view human suffering? Why does he allow those in charge in jw congregations to conceal child sexual abusers? Does God feel physical pain? Is having your child operated on the same as giving them to an abuser to be raped?

Hasn’t the WTS given jws false hopes over and over that they will see the end in their lifetime, a “privilege” no other humans will experience?

15 During these difficult final days of

this system of things, we may experience

special challenges to our faith. Instead

of responding angrily if we become

victims of violence or when our

loved ones suffer, we need to be resolved

to trust completely in Jehovah. We are

imperfect, so it is not easy to do that. Recall,

though, what Jesus did, as recorded

at Matthew 26:39.—Read.

COMMENTS

Jws are angry because of the harm, pain, jws cause their own members. Can the trust or believe that God supports their actions. In the days of Israel when the religious elders of that time were having the faithful toss their children in the fire, did that inspire trust in God?

16. We need to avoid doing what during the

time that remains?

16 Something that interferes with our

manifesting godly patience is a wait-and-

see attitude. What does that mean?

Well, a person who lacks confidence

that the end is near might start to make

alternate arrangements, so to speak, in

case things do not work out as Jehovah

said they would. In other words, he

might be thinking, ‘I will wait and see

if Jehovah really is true to his word.’

He might then try to make a name for

himself in this world, to seek financial

security instead of putting God’s Kingdom

first, or to trust in higher education

to secure a comfortable life now. Really,

though, would that not be evidence of a

lack of faith? Remember that Paul urged

us to become imitators of those faithful

ones who received promises from Jehovah

“through faith and patience.” (Heb.

6:12) Jehovah will not allow this wicked

system to exist any longer than is absolutely

necessary according to his purpose.

(Hab. 2:3) In the interim, we must

avoid just going through the motions of

serving Jehovah. Rather, we need to remain

alert and work diligently at preaching

the good news, which is a source

of incomparable satisfaction even now.

—Luke 21:36.

COMMENTS

What are alternate arrangements…live inside instead of on the street, is that financial security? What is higher education, what is too much…how many of the writers of this article have to worry about employment to supply housing, food, clothing, medical services?

So even the WTS sees that jws are only doing things to be seen by humans not God. How many Bethelites or GB members put the preaching work first, talking to individuals, not an audience of jws?

WHAT BLESSINGS DOES

PATIENCE BRING?

17, 18. (a) We now have what opportunity involving

patience? (b) We will receive what

blessings from manifesting patience now?

17 Whether we have served God for

a few months or for several decades,

we want to serve him forever. Patience

helps us to endure until we gain salvation,

no matter how much time remains

in this system. Jehovah is now giving us

the opportunity to prove our complete

trust in his decisions and—if necessary—

to be willing to suffer evil for the

sake of his name. (1 Pet. 4:13, 14) God is

also giving us training that can help us to

have the patience needed for salvation.

—1 Pet. 5:10.

COMMENTS

So the goal is salvation not to vindicate God’s sovereignty.

Do GB decisions = God’s decisions? Did the decisions of the religious elders in Jesus’ time represent God’s?

Suffer evil at the hands of other jws, other jw pedophiles?

18 Jesus has all authority in heaven

and on earth, and nothing can snatch

you away from his protective care—except

you. (John 10:28, 29) There is no

need to fear the future or even death.

Those who patiently endure to the end

will be saved. So we must make sure

that we do not allow the world to seduce

us and make us stop relying on Jehovah.

Instead, we must be determined to grow

in faith and use the time of God’s patience

wisely.—Matt. 24:13; read 2 Peter

3:17, 18.

COMMENTS

So what happens if false accusations are made by humans, and elders believe them?

Relying on God or imperfect human elders as in Jesus’ day?

Words of Peter:

We must obey God as ruler rather than men." (Acts 5:29)"

I learned to stop relying on men as if they spoke for God.

So if you lived in Isaiah’s time, would you be tossing your children into the fire, would he have?

CONCLUDING COMMENTS

Next week, “YOU KNOW NEITHER THE DAY NOR THE HOUR” but the YEAR as many jws said prior to 1975 trying to slough off the implication that the WTS was running ahead of God.

Noah was told 7 days in advance to go into the ark….will jws get such an advance notice, do some think that?

Remember Matthew 24:44

(Matthew 24:44) On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.

(Luke 12:40) YOU also, keep ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think likely the Son of man is coming.”

Love, Blondie

hoser

thanks Blondie!

WTWizard

This "patience" crap indicates a scam. If you are forever waiting for your reward, you are not suspicious that you are being scammed and will continue working for something that will never come. This is similar to those Nigerian scams where you are always "one step" away from receiving a reward. Each time you do something to send more money, you remain the same "one step" away. If you go there and try to find out what's going on, you are as likely to end up dead. This is why Jehovah so insists on patience--to hide that he never intends to do anything for us.

Yet, just how patient would Jehovah be if you kept him waiting 15 minutes before starting field circus?

BluesBrother

This one's a doosie ! They actually manage to make a perfectly reasonable questioning of the WTS and their predictions into a sin on the questioner's part - that he is impatient with God.. Or as I had said to me recently, a "selfish motive" in wanting the end to come quickly for my own benefit...They pin the blame on God for their own failed predictions.

Para 2) ... even if it might seem to us th at Jehovah is delaying.

No, it seems to us that the WT got it WRONG .

Para 5) Another reason why Jehovah has waited patiently is so that more people can have everlasting life.

What about the thought, not my original, that the longer it goes on, the more people have to be slaughtered. If it had come in 1914 the world population was less than 2 billion, the bloodshed would have been much less, and the world could be populated by those born in Paradise

Para 16).... in case things do not work out as Jehovah said they would. In other words, he might be thinking, ‘I will wait and see if Jehovah really is true to his word.’

No, it is not as "Jehovah said they would" but as The Watchtower said they would! The end subheading is just manipulation to make one feel bad about yourself if you have come to doubt. Fancy doubting God ! is the way that you are left thinking.

Para 17) says that God is training us....Is it so that he would deliberately tell his people wrong, just to see how tough they are? No Way!

Finally they accept that even death might take them first ....sad really for those who have endured for decades with the promise of never dying, but I bet they still lap it up...

Thanks Blondie, great review as ever

JW GoneBad

Blondie asks a good question on paragraph 10.

How many times has the WTS run ahead of God?

Well, how many times over the years has WTS had a need in its publications to use one of the following words when introducing a correction to a previous wrongly held view?

1. New light, 2. Update, 3. Revision, 4. New understanding, 5. Amendment, 6. Correction, 7. Clarification, 8. Modification, 9. Improvement, 10. New explanation and the list goes on…….

The answer: Tons of times!

ziddina

Bump!!

DesirousOfChange

PAR 16 Something that interferes with our manifesting godly patience is a wait-and- see attitude. What does that mean? Well, a person who lacks confidence that the end is near might start to make alternate arrangements, so to speak, in case things do not work out as Jehovah said they would. In other words, he might be thinking, ‘I will wait and see if Jehovah really is true to his word.’ He might then try to make a name for himself in this world, to seek financial security instead of putting God’s Kingdom first, or to trust in higher education to secure a comfortable life now. Really, though, would that not be evidence of a lack of faith? Would that really indicate a "lack of faith" in anything other than the constant string of false prophesy from the GB? DOC

ziddina

"As the generation of 1975 dies off, more and more wonder about the perceived promise of the WTS that they would live into the new system, never dying. Do you have relatives or jws you know that believe that who are approaching 70 or 80 and are facing death soon?..." Blondie's question at beginning of OP

My parents are well into their late 80s and early 90s, and I wonder how they are lying to themselves at this point in their life, to avoid looking at the fact that they made a TERRIBLE mistake back in their 30s...

ziddina

[paragraph 5] "...Another reason why Jehovah has waited patiently is so that more people can have everlasting life. ..."

Oh, yeah... That makes sense... With the human population exploding and the JW increase flatlining...

ziddina

[paragraph 8] "...He was not passively waiting all that time; rather, he was occupied with the work that his Father assigned him. When he eventually came to earth, he knew that he would have to die at the hands of Satan, as prophesied. ..." [bold mine]

In other words, human sacrifice.

Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-11-2012 WT Study (PATIENCE0

Mark 3:1-6/ New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Heals on the Sabbath

Matthew 12:9-14

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