Now tell me again....WHAT exactly is the point?

Terry

WHAT THE HELL is the point......?

1.UNDESERVED kindness

Ask yourself why you don't DESERVE kindness. If God says you don't DESERVE something and he gives it to you anyway...who is conflicted here?? Who is breaking their own moral code? Who is violating what justice is all about? In short, it makes no frickin' sense!

2. ARMAGEDDON

God didn't kill Adam and prior to letting them breed billions and billions of sinners . He let them breed, for heaven's sakes!

Allowing defective children to be born is not fair!

Allowing billions of kids to experience pain, suffering, ignorance, poverty and disease isn't kind, loving or moral either.

The problem with this explanation is that Adam and Eve had UNCONCEIVED children before they had UNBORN children. It is only because Jehovah didn't step in and stop the conception of doomed children that we have the doctrine of ARMAGEDDON.

3.RANSOM SACRIFICE

Let's see if I have this straight....

The Law of Moses was a Perfect law. Eye for Eye and tooth for tooth.

Justice is getting what you deserve and not getting what you don't. Humans are sinners. Sinners deserve death.

Jesus was a perfect human and didn't deserve to die.

Jesus DID die. Humans are granted an undeserved benefit: Life.

Justice goes out the window. What is the point in basing the Perfect Law (eye for eye..tooth for tooth) on Justice, then?

4. Jesus carefully selected 12 Apostles in person. Jesus carefully instructed his Apostles in person day by day.

They never seemed to understand much of what he said. After his death they became teachers. But, who comes along and

explains all the history of god's dealings with mankind and the secret innermost mysteries of Jesus? The "apostle" Paul who never met

Jesus or had face to face instructions!

5. The Jews were the People of the Book. They had the written word. The first christian leaders assembled the holy writings and created a bible canon.

So, for One Thousand Five Hundred years this bible canon contained 73 books! Then suddenly Protestants throw out 7 of them! Today devout christians insist the bible in the inerrant word of God and don't seem to care about the missing 7 books!

WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT...???

Did God approve the BAD SEVEN all those 15 centuries?

ziddina

Hah hah!!!

Good points, Terry - I especially like your points about "undeserved" kindness...

Satanus

These kinds of arguements and attempts at sorting them out have been boiling for 2000 yrs. Ironically, it's these kinds of internal conflicts that give life to christianity and its expansionism. The built in cognitive dissonence is what drives a huge part of the worlds conflicts, today. Christianity and capitalism are like siamise trins. Scottish christian john calvin came up w muh of capitalism's ideas.

The cognitive dissonence generates a tremendous energy. It's this energy that is behind the expansionism in the us and it's corps, helped england develop its empire, and likely had a lot to do w the previous mini empires, like the dutch, portuguese, ussr, etc. Codiss makes people want others to join them as it tends to temporarily silence that internal conflict. Thus the evangization by christians and capitalist (at least to an extent).

And so, this very weakness that gives longevity to christianty. Christianity is like a boiling cauldron, whose roiling action pushes new stuff to the surface. It gives the appearance of renewal. But, there is no peace or tranquility at it's heart.

S

Terry

These could well be the word's of Thomas Paine or one of the founding fathers, Satanus.

You said:

And so, this very weakness gives longevity to christianty. Christianity is like a boiling cauldron, whose roiling action pushes new stuff to the surface. It gives the appearance of renewal. But, there is no peace or tranquility at it's heart.

sabastious

The Bible paints humanity like a dirty, expensive whore who doesn't deserve anything but being thrown into a fiery abyss. However, it also says that the people who this whore rejects are highly prized by God Almighty who turns them into preachers of righteousness and grants them eternal life behind the 12 gates of Spiritual Israel, a place where there is no badness, pain or death.

Isaiah 47 - 8 “Now then, listen, you lover of pleasure,
lounging in your security
and saying to yourself,
‘I am, and there is none besides me.
I will never be a widow
or suffer the loss of children.’
9 Both of these will overtake you
in a moment, on a single day:
loss of children and widowhood.
They will come upon you in full measure,
in spite of your many sorceries
and all your potent spells.
10 You have trusted in your wickedness
and have said, ‘No one sees me.’
Your wisdom and knowledge mislead you
when you say to yourself,
‘I am, and there is none besides me.’
11 Disaster will come upon you,
and you will not know how to conjure it away.
A calamity will fall upon you
that you cannot ward off with a ransom;
a catastrophe you cannot foresee
will suddenly come upon you.

So, it's the Great City of Babylon the Great, that whore, that sits on the throne of God saying, "I am, and there is no one besides me" is actually the entity that is not deserving. Our species is not deserving because of what we have done with our free will, but that doesn't mean that working with what is spoiled doesn't bring success.

 WORK ON WHAT HAS BEEN SPOILED Has supreme success. It furthers one to cross the great water. Before the starting point, three days. After the starting point, three days.

What has been spoiled through man's fault can be made good again through man's work. IT is not immutable fate, as in the time of STANDSTILL, that has caused the state of corruption, but rather the abuse of human freedom. Work toward improving conditions promises well, because it accords the possibilities of the time. We must not recoil from work and danger- symbolized by crossing of the great water-but must take hold energetically. Success depends, however, on proper deliberation. This is expressed by the lines, "Before the starting point, three days. After the starting point, three days." We must first know the cause of corruption before we can do away with them; hence it is necessary to be cautious during the time before the start. Then we must see to it that the new way is safely entered upon, so that a relapse may be avoided; therefore we must pay attention to the time after the start. Decisiveness and energy must take the place of inertia and indifference that have led to decay, in order that the ending may be followed by a new beginning. I CHING 18

-Sab

Satanus

Thanks, terry. Coming from you, that's quite a compliment. Not that it's going to go to my head, or anything;)

S

brinjen

How about this one? If Satan is the "Father of the lie" ( ) and all the bad that is in the world stems from both him and his demons (once angels, took his side even though they were perfect ) and all those doing bad things are doing so because of them. Why not just kill off Satan? Why destroy more than 99% of the world's population when you can just destroy the source of all the evil in the first place?

Not to mention... imperfect behaviour is accepted (to a certain extent) because we are imperfect. But if Adam and Eve were perfect, why then did Eve listen to that snake?

brinjen

I guess my point is... if perfection can see a point of view... then either the view is correct or those seeing it are not perfect to begin with.

sabastious

Why destroy more than 99% of the world's population when you can just destroy the source of all the evil in the first place?

How does one kill an idea? Because that's what evil is and Satan is the personification of it.

-Sab

brinjen

... and define perfection. If the angel that became Satan could become evil then morals can't be a part of perfection either.

I'll shut up now.

Now tell me again....WHAT exactly is the point?

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