Invited to Attend a J W Kangaroo Court Proceeding: Tell Them to: Put the Reason for Requesting Your Presents in Writing Along With Any Alleged Charges of Wrong Doing, So You Can Give it To Your Lawyer.

by frankiespeakin 31 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Band on the Run

  ;The problem with suing them is the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. No court will involve intself in internal disputes within a religion. A lawyer may write a letter, threatening to sue, but any lawyer will know it is bluster. When I worked for a corporate law firm with a large litigation department, most disputes were handled by negotiations. Hiring a lawyer to help you negotiate is a great idea. With private circumstances, I have trouble finding a lawyer to make a simple phone call or write a simple letter. I saw the top lawyers in this country pursuing siuch action. A lawyer who only litigates every dispute is bad news.

  The WT overreaches. A lawyer has professional skills to stop the overreaching. It is not law so much as an arms-length negotiating status. The Witnesses are use to getting their way. Most of my personal problems need an advocate; not a lawyer. It is so easy to represent clients and so difficult with my own matters that trigger deep emotions.

  It is interesting to compare my perspectives from a large firm to my personal matters. The highly priced lawyers tend to negotiate through simple strategies at first. Local lawyers here only want big bucks - but they don't have the sophistication that big bucks lawyers do. They can charge for letters and phone calls. Income is income, IMO.

  Wealthy people in the Trusts and Estates dept. do not hestitate to ask a lawyer on retainer to call about a simple credit card bill or if their trash disposal does not work. Normal people deserve such representation, too.

  It is a great feeling to have someone else stand up for you.
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  PaintedToeNail

  Marking for later.
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  frankiespeakin

  Bothr,

  Yes having a real lawyer ready in the wings might be best. In some cases.

  But for those who just want to nulify any DF proceedings, it may be cheaper just to threaten/bluff a lawyer and thus get away from the clutches of a JC and the Governing Body. And offer them some recoarse later in a class action suit if it become available you never know?

  I kinda see the Governing Body's plan of increasing the DFing of it members as a plan that turns around and bites them in the ass. Perhaps it is this new bunch of DFings that tip the scales against them, and finally renders their DFing policy a liability instead of an asset.
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  wha happened?

  what the elders do know on top of the fact that they can df u at anytime, is that should someone get them legally entangled, the WT will not provide them with an attorney. It's all out of pocket. I remember this when a person came and disrupted a CA. There was a physical altercation as a result, and the disrupter sued the brothers. The WT did not send an attorney even though the incident happened at a CA. They just advised them telephonically. Anything beyon that was on the elders expense wise.

  So, if an elder thinks he's going to be staring down a summons, they might just walk away. Especially if u never attend
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  Band on the Run

  When someone says they will sue me, I am amused. When I hear from a real lawyer, I realize I must pay attention to what I do.

  I know lawyers are expensive. Lawyers generally cannot afford lawyers. I know the legal skills needed and I am shocked by the prices.

  I believe zid or blondie posted a very logical letter. Such a letter might be more helpful than threatening a lawyer when you can't afford one.

  The letter smacked of a carefully written legal letter. The price of such a legal letter would be high. It puts them on notice that you are not a deferential JW. I suspect they are not used to any protest.

  There is no legal cause of action, in general. Class actions have been severely restricted in the United States. Litigation is not the best way to achieve a result. I even wonder if a wordly friend could be designated as your representative. Even though I may know the law, when I am persoanllly involved, I failed to think clearly.

  Don't clothe the elders with any respectability. A little may be necessary if you fear losing friends and family. Enter the room as more than an equal, clothed with human rights. Advocates who are not necessarily lawyers are used in various contexts.
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  frankiespeakin

  How about sending them a letter like Blondie's by registered mail to the elders of the JC making the request/ and pehaps send one to the WT service department by name if possible and registered or some one in the legal deptment. . These might be further options.
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  wha happened?

  everything u send to the elders will go to the legal dept.
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  frankiespeakin

  I think we can clasify that wielding of the power to Disfellowship by the Governing Body as being unfair and unjust treatment of those that they have a fudiciary duty towards.

  You must grovel before them in right thinking repentance before they will even think of concidering mercy, they are every bit a egomaniac as the God they worship who has declared the death sentence of everything from fornicater and cross dresser to picking up sticks on saterday and complaining about food.
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  Balaamsass

  Since Watchtower is so keen on the "Two Witness rule" for child Molesters, hold them to the same rule they have published. Deny everything and ask the names of the TWO witnesses in writing.

  Write a brief certified letter to the two witnesses, CC. Legal council, and remind them of the penalties for slander, Scriptural and legal. "Intentional infliction of emotional Distress", "restraint of trade" etc. Allow an "out" "perhaps you misunderstood".

  90% the "witnesses" will have a memory lapse.
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  rebel8

  I don't understand the point of writing such a long letter at all, let alone one that demands clergy to conduct themselves in a manner vastly different than they do. It seems like a waste of time to me. As Band On The Run says, they have the right to do this and you have no right to make them do that laundry list.

  Also it looks like the writer is shooting himself in the foot. That letter in itself provides enough evidence to DF. Not a meek attitude, not recognizing the elders' authority, blah blah blah. Plenty of stuff in there to just render a DF decision right there.

  I can kind of see a point in writing a brief letter that says, "In response to your verbal request I appear at a judicial committee, I request you submit this in writing. I am concerned about slander in connection with this matter. Written communication will decrease the opportunity for misunderstandings. I will not respond to verbal communiques. Thank you."