Is The Book of Revelation All About Me & My Generation? (page 3)

Christ Alone

Thanks for the reference to Days of Vengeance, Vander! I'm downloading it right now.

Data-Dog *** So if Revelation was fulfilled in the 1st century and Satan was defeated, then in what sense is Ultimate justice being restored? What is going on right now? What are we all doing here?! Just curious. I do not claim to know anything.***

I believe we are living in the millinum right now, the era of grace , right at Revelation 20:1-6, in the First Resurrection, spiritual rebirth, new heavens above....we are awaiting Revelation 20:7-15. but we discussed this before.

shalom

PSacramento

If you want a commentary on Revelations that covers close to eveyr possibel angle, I suggest the 3 volume series by David Aune:

http://www.amazon.com/Revelation-1-5-Word-Biblical-Commentary/dp/0849902517

Pterist

Vanderhoven7 **** I am Partial Preterist also ****

Amen brother, I think Londo111 has some interest there also, sorry if Im intruding Londo111 ;)

Shalom

ClubSandwich

Craig R. Koester has lectured extensively on The Book of Revelation and can be accessed at Great Courses, etc.

ClubSandwich

Going back to an earlier thread, if the Apocalyse of Peter had made it into the Bible instead of the Apocalypse of John, is it possible that a group like the JWs would have never seen the light of day? Without Revelation there is no Armageddon, the 144,000 or a righteous new world where Armageddon survivors will live forever.

Vanderhoven7

Christ Alone: You are welcome. I believe Matthew 24 (and parallel passages Luke 21 and Mark 13) go hand in hand with Revelation. A clear presentation of Matthew 24 as I see it is also called Days of Vengeance and is found at

http://www.padfield.com/acrobat/history/days-of-vengeance.pdf

Christ Alone

Club Sandwhich, it's interesting that you comment about that since what initially bothered Russell was "hell". The apocalypse of Peter is all about hell...so you may be right. There never would've been JWs. Of course, Christianity as a whole would have been completely different as well.

ClubSandwich

Christ Alone, are you familar with some of the other apocalypses from antiquity? I know that most of them were written in the names of famous people from the past, like Moses, Abraham, Elijah and even Adam?

Christ Alone

Club, I am. I've only read a few of them so far. But I've read ABOUT most of them. As far as Christian apocalypse writings go, there is a lesser known book called the Apocalypse of Paul.

The writings you speak of are Jewish in origin, or at least claim to be, though they may have been written later. Off the top of my head I know there is the apocalypse of Adam, the assumption of Moses, the Apocalypse of Baruch, 4th Esdras, book of Henoch, and the Apocalypse of Abraham.

As far as the Apocalypse of Adam, it was written in Coptic, and no one believed it to really be written by Adam. Some believe it is a Christian-Gnostic book, while I think it more likely to be pre-Christian. It seems unlikely that whoever wrote it would incorporated Christian ideas, but then eliminated any reference to Jesus, or any other NT figures. There are plenty of pre-Christian myths that the writer could have been drawing from, and it would not necessitate having a date AFTER Jesus.

Again, after merely reading through all of these, I can see why they were not included. That is even without extra scholarship to say why. They do not fit in with the rest of the books, at least to me. And they divert from what Christianity in the Bible teaches.

Is The Book of Revelation All About Me & My Generation?

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