To VioletAnai

by Marilyn 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • Marilyn
    Marilyn

    VA you said to me:

    I'd appreciate it if you didn't discourage me in my faith. I already have a struggle with it and am trying as best I can to strengthen my heart. However, your negativity doesn't help when you say that I'm wasting my life. I spent years in the world and accomplished nothing but pain, sorrow and disappointment after disappointment! I think THAT was a waste of time.. I'm not ignorant of the world or it's beautiful, flashy lifestyle, I just don't care for that sort of thing and I don't wish to be put down for it.

    Dear Violet, What are you doing here if you don't want to be discouraged about Jehovah's Witnesses? When I tell people the things wrong with Jehovah's Witnesses I equate it to warning people about a fraudulent investment scheme. It seems the only right and proper thing to do. If the person doesn't wish to know what's wrong with their investment plans then that's up to them. You seem to think that you have achieved nothing in the "world" and that the WTS will give you a sense of fulfilment. This may be the case, especially if you believe it will. I see you as someone with an illusion. You want to think wonderful things about the WTS and you don't want anyone to inform you differently. Kinda like that saying "don't confuse me with the facts I've made up my mind". I was once where you are now, in fact you remind me of myself many years ago. If it's what you really want then nothing anyone says will discourage you. And if you really do want enlightenment then stay around here and open your mind big time.

    all the best
    Marilyn

  • VioletAnai
    VioletAnai

    My mind don't come any wider! Marilyn, like I said before, I've analysed things so much, it ain't funny anymore.

    I came here because I was curious as to what ex-jw's had to say. I felt surely they couldn't be as bitter and twisted as the society makes them out to be...sadly, some are.

    I first came here too because Silent Lambs was just up and running and there was all this controversy over molestation. Being a victim of jw abuse myself, I was extremely curious and I was led here.

    Now, I've been hurt badly by the jw's. Like I said before, I've learnt from these experiences, they've helped me mature and also gives me a different perspective on things.

    I left the jw's as a teen and only recently decided to go back after seeing all the hypocricy in the world, the hatred, back-stabbing, cruelty, lack of natural affection, perversity...I could go on and on. I just think the jw's as a whole are a hell of a lot better than the state of the world. At least they can get along with each other because they are all bonded under one purpose - serving Jehovah!

    I like that, loyalty...doesn't exist very much these days! And they are a dedicated bunch, for the most part, and willing to help better anyone who wants to help themself!

  • Pierced Angel
    Pierced Angel

    Hey Violet,

    I don't know you very well, but I hope you find what you're looking for and that if you do go back to the kingdom hall that you don't lose as many years as I did trying to convince myself that it was the truth.
    I just saw this post and felt a horrible feeling in my heart for you. You're young, don't give up any dreams, ok?

    Sorry if I'm out of line for commenting in this post. I've just been reflecting on a lot of negative crap from my "jw" days this evening and it just seems crazy for someone to think of returning to it all.
    Snap out of it! lol

    wish you well,

    Anne

  • Quotes
    Quotes

    VA said:

    ...lack of natural affection...

    Do us both a favour. Use that expression in conversation with someone you know who is not and never has been a JW. Ask them if they know what that means. I suspect they will not.

    Your programming is showing... and it is not a good thing.

    VA, of course I can't comment on your experiences, but personally I have found *far more* love, friendship, happiness after ceasing to be involved with the religion. Furthermore, since my new non-JW friends aren't doing it because they have to in order to "serve Jehovah" I believe that this is truly "natural affection" (to use the obscure phrase you used in your post).

    BTW, aren't Chrisians supposed to be following after Jesus? Isn't that what he commanded? Then why do you emphasize serving Jehovah?

    I like that, loyalty...doesn't exist very much these days! And they are a dedicated bunch, for the most part, and willing to help better anyone who wants to help themself!
    If that is what you want, you can get it from many other sources, including but not limited to: political groups, military groups, the Rotary Club, the Kiwanis Club.... etc. Please don't think you have to be involved with a (potentially very) dangerous religion just to find a fun bunch of dedicated, loyal folk. Besides, loyalty is not automatically a good thing. For example, a SS Nazi guard could be very loyal. But when the war ended and the atrocities of the Nazi's were revealed, continued allegiance and loyalty to the Nazi party would have been sad.

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  • forgetmenot
    forgetmenot

    "I just think the jw's as a whole are a hell of a lot better than the state of the world. At least they can get along with each other because they are all bonded under one purpose - serving Jehovah!"

    Remember that the bible does not say "find the person closest to following God and serve them." It was an all around no policy of following anyone or anything. DON'T pick the false profit closest to obeying God; discard them all together.

    By the way VioletAnai...we aren't all mean people. Some of us are a little (or a lot) bitter. Some of us have reasons. Alot of us have been hurt, very badly.

  • DakotaRed
    DakotaRed

    Violet, if returning to the JWs is what you really wish, go for it. My only prayer is that you get treated better than I was. In my case, there was no loyalty, but heavy demands that I conform and be loyal to them. True, not all KHs are the same and I certainly hope the one you go to is better than where I went.

    I hope I did nothing to discourage you, someones faith is too precious to be manipulated by others. Whatever you choose, just know that I, for one, will not degrade you and hope for you only the best.

    If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

  • forgetmenot
    forgetmenot

    Mend to last comment: profit is supposed to be prophet (right? yeash I need to learn how to Spell) and you can follow God (that was a mend to the statement: It was an all around policy of not following anyone or anything)

  • butalbee
    butalbee
    after seeing all the hypocricy in the world, the hatred, back-stabbing, cruelty, lack of natural affection, perversity...I could go on and on.


    And there I saw THAT inside the BORG.

    Your programming is showing... and it is not a good thing.
    Do whatever is in your heart, don't let anyone else push their ideals at you, over and over again, nonstop. Think for yourself. Haven't you learned anything here?

    The purpose of this post is not to descrate what you believe to be true in this religion, it is merely to briefly express my own feelings, I've seen what it is like on the inside, I was pressured w/ beliefs and brainwashed with doctrines that in my heart did not pan out to be true. I was told not to wear this or that outfit, tone down the make up, sell my camaro, talk less 'frank', give up my worldly friends, give my mother the knowledge book, just to point out a few. And I wasn't even a baptized JW.

    I just want you to know that I am praying for you, and hope you all the best in the world.

    Lara

  • VioletAnai
    VioletAnai

    THANK YOU SO MUCH DAKOTA AND BUTAL for giving me encouragement and not thinking I'm a total twit for going back...like a sucker for punishment or something.

    I've bin hurt terribly by them, but I'm not willing to blame them as a whole, only a few individuals within the org. I've also bin hurt a hell of a lot more out there in what is termed (loosely!) 'life'. I don't see it as a life if you can't have friends cause you don't know if they're gunna run off with yer drugs, money and diginity, don't know whether the next person you meet is gunna attack you the moment you're alone together, you can even look at someone sideways and they'll tear your head off! I don't wanna live in a world like that. Ok, yeah sure, NOT everyone is like that! And it's the same with the jw's! Not everyone is a gossip, backstabber, pervert...remember when you were in the org? How did you feel about yourself...the same?

    In all religions, in all aspects of life, there will always be the minority who will not treat others with the respect and love that they deserve....

  • Marilyn
    Marilyn

    <<<<<<<<<<<My mind don't come any wider! Marilyn, like I said before, I've analysed things so much, it ain't funny anymore.

    Dear Violet, I had a devout Mormon friend say exactly the same thing to me just the other day. She told me if she was any more opened minded her brains would fall out. Trouble is she is sucked in big time to the Latter Day Saints. Are people open minded just because they say they are? It's difficult to answer that honestly because some times it's impossible to know if we are open minded. I say that to include myself and everyone here.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>I came here because I was curious as to what ex-jw's had to say. I felt surely they couldn't be as bitter and twisted as the society makes them out to be...sadly, some are.

    Violet I chose to leave the Witnesses because I didn't believe it any more. They disfellowshipped me for not believing it even though I didn't try to take anyone with me or convince anyone that my way was right. I wanted to leave quietly. That was over 20 years ago and I've been shunned by my family for 20 years. Now that tends to make a person just a tad bitter. But apart from that I mostly think Jehovah's Witnesses are a deeply flawed religion who talk a lot about love but show very very little of it.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>I first came here too because Silent Lambs was just up and running and there was all this controversy over molestation. Being a victim of jw abuse myself, I was extremely curious and I was led here.

    I'm very sorry about your abuse. I have been spared such a terrible indignaty. I can't imagine what it must be like.

    >>>>>>>>>I left the jw's as a teen and only recently decided to go back after seeing all the hypocricy in the world, the hatred, back-stabbing, cruelty, lack of natural affection, perversity...I could go on and on.

    You see I experienced all of those things inside the congregation. In fact it was why I left. I know there are bad people everywhere but I have mostly met very good and caring people in the world. I believe there is the same ratio of good people in the JW community as there is in the world at large. At the moment you are probably recieving the royal treatment at the hall, but in time the JW love will wear thin and you will see them for just average people with average flaws.

    >>>>>>>>>>>I just think the jw's as a whole are a hell of a lot better than the state of the world. At least they can get along with each other because they are all bonded under one purpose - serving Jehovah!

    Yeah right!!! I have 3 siblins. Two brothers, both elders and one sister who is married to an elder. None of them like each other and don't associate with each other unless they really have to. So how does that work? I've seen a lot of worldly people get on way better than my family do. Prior to the WTS our family got on really well together. Go figure!

    >>>>>>>>>>I like that, loyalty...doesn't exist very much these days! And they are a dedicated bunch, for the most part, and willing to help better anyone who wants to help themself

    Well they're willing to help anyone become a JW that's for sure. They aren't much use for any thing else. My mother is a JW and she's currently receiving treatment for cancer which is her third outbreak of it. She hasn't had too many offers of help or cards of encouragement from people in her congregation. Yet my mother is a dear sweet lady of 77 yrs old. You know why the Witnesses don't bother with her? Because she's refused to shun me. Nice people eh?

    Marilyn

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