PS. Like many other gay men I KNEW I was different from a very early age.
I was always attracted to men & masculinity even as a young boy.
Are homosexuals born that way? The March 15 Watchtower seems to say so.
by matt2414 76 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Tiktaalik
@ Heartofaboy: Thanks for sharing that. I think you rock.
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irondork
I knew I liked boys when I was in pre-school. I had a crush on a boy named Andy. Followed him everywhere. I remember always thinking about how cute he was. Of course, I had no concept of sex at that age. I only knew I wanted to be near him all the time.
Then in 5th grade, there was Bart Andrews. Ooooh, Baaarrrt!
8th grade was Jonny Schrieber. Mercy!
And then...
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Heartofaboy
Aaaah that's so sweet Tiktaalik.
I know those feelings Irondork.
When I was in pre-school I had crushes on........Johnny, Brian & Stephen.
In 5th grade I had crushes on........Johnny (Yes the same one! ) Gordon, Graham, Martin, Rob, to name a few
My father took me to the local open air swimming pool when I quite young. The male changing area was open plan with just a couple of cubicles for those who required the modesty they afforded.
On one occasion, I was around 6 years old, my father noticed as we were changing out of our swimwear that I was spellbound by a beautiful man drying himself opposite us. My father told me to hurry up & get dressed, but he never said anything to me about it.
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Pickler
I am happy for anyone who finds love, no matter who with, who cares?
There is something really wrong with being overly concerned with other people's sex lives.
Really, like psychopath wrong, it's just not normal to even care what others do.
I spent so many years telling my kids it's OK if you are gay, my son said "Mum, are you disappointed I'm not gay?" Well...?
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Larsinger58
In the NT, the Bible says that eunuchs are "born that way from their mother's womb" and thus the Bible itself acknowledges that being "gay" is natural. Some men and women are born without the usual attraction to the opposite sex. This causes complications, of course. But at least we know that the feelings of gay men, which they experience from the earliest of ages is a natural state of the human condition. That's #1.
#2 is that the Bible does not condemn masturbation, but recommends it along with the proper Christian "fantasies" at 1 Thess 4:3-8.
So you have an example of a very oppressive organization that imposes its own distorted and perverse ideas about sex and sexuality upon its members, causing much harm and heartache to them.
Now being "gay" doesn't mean you're an active homosexual. Being born a eunuch was considered a "gift" but that gift of not being attracted to the opposite sex was to be used for SINGLENESS. The average man would want sex and marriage and children. But without that overwhelming desire to mate, one can lead a single life and focus on a career, perhaps in public service. We all acknowledge the inherent conflict in having a career vs. a family.
Also, consider how much more difficult it is to be gay if you have guilt over masturbation? Masturbation is a God-given means of controlling and lowering natural sexual desires. No where is it condemned in the Bible. Even the design of the woman, where her clitoris is right in front, thus very "handy" tells you masturbation is normal. God doesn't care if you have sex with yourself. There is no requirement to marry.
But there is a moral issue gays have to deal with in regards to the prohibition of oral and anal sex. Jesus calls John the disciple that he loved and it is clear they had a special relationship with each other that was public. Jonathan and David actually considered themselves "soul mates" and exchanged vows! Was this just a great friendship between two buddies? When Jonathan died David said the love of Jonathan was more sweet than the love of any woman. Hello?!!! Why would he even make that comparison?
So it appears the Jews culturally did not condemn the relationship between two men, but did condemn sex between two men in that special relationship. It is as if they were like adoptive relatives.
So I think the biblical challenge to gays, those that are in a monogamous relationship resembling a marriage is to determine whether or not they can be happy without the oral and anal sex. That is, can they be happy just having a special person to share their life without having oral and anal sex with them? That's an easy answer, because lots of couples, gay and straight, who might start out having sex end up not having sex later but still remain a committed couple. So you have to separate the love of sex for the love of another person.
That's my 2 cents on this topic.
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PSacramento
There are various views of course but, IMO, yes homosexuals are born that way.
Some think that all humans are born "bisexual" in regards to "sexual impulses" and that it is their nurturing or environment that "pushes' them one way or another ( or both).
Fact is that we do NOT know for sure YET but I am confident that we will soon.
That said, I am not sure how the message that people are born "that" way will be received.
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sir82
I'd say it's sloppy editing, or laziness, or both.
The writer of that article just didn't think about the implications of the quoted statements, and the "70 checks" guys didn't catch it either.
This sort of thing is exactly what happens when critical thinking skills are viewed as not only undesirable, but demonic.
People who are able to concentrate on a topic for more than 30 seconds simply don't exist in the WT writing department, or anywhere else in Bethel for that matter.
You can expect a lot more of these "but wait, that implies something opposite of their doctrine" statements in the future, as the WT becomes even more insular, and critical thinking continues to be punished with severity.
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perfect1
SEXUALITY IS A SPECTRUM PEOPLE.
Bella, your comment reminds me of this delightful song, do you know it
When you call my name
Its like a little prayer
Im down on my knees
I wanna take you there
In the midnight hour
I can feel your power
Just like a prayer
You know Ill take you there
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RubaDub
I can't think of the name of the famous poet who wrote the following. I will look it up and report back later but it is beautiful.
My mama told me when I was young,
We are all born superstars.
She rolled my hair and put my lipstick on
In the glass of her boudoir.
"There's nothin' wrong with lovin' who you are"
She said, "'cause He made you perfect, babe"
"So hold your head up girl and you'll go far,
Listen to me when I say"
I'm beautiful in my way
'Cause God makes no mistakes
I'm on the right track baby
I was born this way
Don't hide yourself in regret
Just love yourself and you're set
I'm on the right track baby
I was born this way
Rub a Dub