Whats the truth about 1914?

by Leander 31 Replies latest jw friends

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  Leander

  I've heard on a few occasions from my research on the internet that 1914 really does not have the significance that WTBS assigns to it. From my limited understanding on the matter it involves the WTBS moving the date of the destruction of Jerusalem.

  Can someone give me a little more detail on this or provide a link with a website that does?

  If its true that the WTS has manipulated historical dates and bible scriptures to support this date of 1914 then that would mean everything else crumbles.

  Thanks for any info on this
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  Gopher

  Leander,

  You may find the following link helpful. We had a thread on this topic back in January.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=20631&site=3#255910

  -J.R., member, UADNA-MN
  (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Minnesota division)

  This post was not evaluated by any mental health professionals.
  Any opinions expressed are those of a fuzzy, cuddly rodent.
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  Guest 77

  1914 was a cover-up for what the elite rich pulled over the eyes of the Euro-American citizens and that is the fraudulent 16th amendment that was illegally passed in 1913. A man by the name of M.J."Red" Beckman did extensive research on this issue and wrote a few books. One of the books is titled, 'The IRS and The Black Robed Cover-up.'

  Do some research on the internet.

  Guest 77
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  apostate man

  Here is a pic I scanned out of a book from 1908 and gave it to Quotes.

  http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/divine_plan.htm

  First click the link then click on "The Time is at Hand" and read the right page. It clearly says "there are evidences that...the time of the gentiles will end 1914".

  Break the chains that bind you,
  unless your into that sort of thing.
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  You Know

  If its true that the WTS has manipulated historical dates and bible scriptures to support this date of 1914 then that would mean everything else crumbles.

  No, not necessarily. It is possible that the chronology could be flawed and yet the prophecies can still be on track. After all, when Jesus gave his detailed forecast of the sign of his presence and the conclusion of this system of things, he made no mention of chronology. True, he mentioned the appointed times of the nations, during which period Jerusalem would be trampled on by the nations of the world, but there is no sound basis for our attributing that period to the so-called 7 times of Daniel’s prophecy. So, what Christians are left with is the sign of Christ’s presence and that is what Jehovah requires that we put our faith in.

  Jehovah has always required that his people demonstrate faith in his word and in the signs presented. Often our demonstrating faith requires that we deal with seeming contradictions. In the days of Jesus his disciples had no problem believing that he was the Messiah because they were eye witnesses to his numerous miracles and signs. And yet their faith was severely tested because they failed to grasp the fact that Jesus had to die.

  I recently read a book about Leonardo Di Vinci, and one of his outstanding mental qualities was that he had a very high tolerance for contradictions. The Italian word they used to describe this ability is sfumato, which literally means: up in smoke. Sufumato allows a person to keep their mind open in the face of uncertainty. It is the tendency of most people to immediately reject one thought or the other in order to avoid any mental discomfort of dealing with a confounding paradox. In some sense that describes faith, in that it is at times necessary to simultaneously hold two conflicting thoughts or unanswerable issues. The reason that it is important to be able to do that is because it often requires time to reach a resolution of puzzling paradoxes. For example, Abraham was confronted with just such a paradox when Jehovah commanded him to sacrifice Isaac after God had promised him that Isaac would be his heir. How could Isaac become his heir if he killed him? The apostles were also confronted with a similar test of faith. How, for example could Christ inherit the throne of David if he was executed? Jehovah’s modern witnesses apparently are destined to be confronted with similar faith testing issues. How can Jehovah’s Witnesses be the true faith if they are wrong on this or that? That is a challenge that eventually every Witness will have to face.

  As one of Jehovah’s Witnesses who has confronted these issues with an open mind, it has become apparent to me that the 1914 chronology is flawed, not because of the controversy that apostates have stirred up over the supposed date of the fall of Jerusalem, I really have no way of ascertaining the truth either way, nor do I think that it is important to do so even if that were possible. My reasons for holding a contrary position have more to do with prophecies. For one thing, it seems totally unreasonable that our faith should be based upon reconciling lunar eclipses to fragments of secular history or whatever. Why should our faith in Jehovah’s word be determined by arguments of scholars and historians about when Jerusalem was razed by the Babylonians? Nonetheless, while it is obvious to me that the kingdom of the world was not given to Christ in 1914, or any time since then, I am not willing to discard what appears to me to be a mountain of evidence that Christ’s parousia has been ongoing since that time.

  What such contradictions and uncertainty has brought home to me is the truthfulness of the Bible’s somewhat disturbing axiom: “Let God be found true though every man be found a liar.” / You Know
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  Undecided

  Hi YK,

  I just don't see any evidence of anything happening since 1914 that makes the end of this world more close than any other period. God is the one who was to bring the end at a set time, so why would anything secular make any difference to this set time? Since Christ said no one knew the day or hour, does that mean we could know the year?

  Ken P.
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  RR

  I believe most historians would agree that 1914 was a marked year, and began a turning point in the history of man. I have seen on a few occassion some referring to 1914 as such from a non-religious viewpoint, just historical.
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  D wiltshire

  The truth about 1914 hmmmmm lets see?

  If you take all the number and add them together you get:
  1+9+1+4=15 that's one for sure truth about 1914.
  You can multiply them and here's another truth 1x9x1x4=36.
  I'm sure there are alot more truths about 1914 but I don't want to bore any one.

  Join the Watchtower or you will die.
  Only Jehovah's Witnesses have the TRUTH all other religions EVIL and from the Devil.
  You must beleive the Watchtower or you're going to die a painful death forever, isn't that really GOOD NEWS?
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  jerome

  You know is one of the few jw sympathizers who has actually come to the conclusion that the WTBS chronology is wrong.

  The 1914 date is very significant for many reasons.

  If 607 is not the actuall date for the destruction of jeruslem but 587 is, then that would mean that the gentile times ended 20 years after 1914.

  That date is so important because the JWs think that jesus christ came into kindgom power in 1914 and that he cast the devil and his dark angles out of heaven and they are now restricted to the vicinity of the earth. Because of satans being cast down to the earth he realizes that this is his last chance to take as many soles with him to ghenna/sheol/hades. So in a very brutal attempt at this he was almost directly responsible for World War I.

  The story also goes that Jesus Christ exaimed all the Churches of the world in 1917/18 (not too shure) and rejected all the others as becoming apostate but the WTBS. So he then selected that organisation for God. This apostacy supposedly started after the last apostle died and soon after the Christian Church became inter woven with Greek philosophy including doctrines such as the imorality of the sole, which then lead to the doctrine of Hell (ghenna/sheol/hades). And another doctrine soon imerged being the doctrine of the trinity, which became firmly established years later. It was because of these that Jesus supposedly rejected the Orthodox Christian Churches.

  Now if this is the case then one would have to ask:
  What exactly were the Scoiety teaching at that time while Jesus Christ inspected their Church.

  The Major Doctrines of the jws at that time can be found in the book
  The Finished Mystery

  The doctrines thet the jws at that time hardly resemble what the Jws teach today. The Jws call this New light. Rather than Jesus relaying Gods revelation in one blinding flash he does it progressively in tiny steps which lead them towards perfection.

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  Now Here come the consequences of the Chronology being wrong. But first more of what the JWs were doing up to that time.

  By the year 1917/18 the Jehovahs Witnesses (then Bible students) had already expected that the world would come to an end 2 times. They thought that it would end first in 1914 and when that prophesy dident materialize and they werent raptured from the earth they put foward the date to !915. When they werent raptured from the earth again in 1915 they put the date foward to 1918. All of these supposed prophesies were put foward in the name of God Almighty and were said to beabsolutely unquestionable, that is untill they dident come to pass.

  Also Russel practiced pyramidology a pracise which has since been condemened as pagan. Russel associated with Nelson H Barbour a Second Adventis who had lost most of the subscribers of his magazine because he had predicted that the world would end in 1874 and that prophesy failed to materilaize. Russel then adopted many of his teachings reguarding chronlogy etc and formulated a new opinion that instead of the end of the world it was to be Jesus' presence that would begin in 1874. Before that it was thought that the presence of Christ began in 1799.

  Russel was involved in a scandal regarding miracle wheat because he sold wheat which he thought was special in some way because a person had asked the Lord for a miracle and a varity of wheat grew which apparently had three times the yeild per bussel compared to 'ordinarny wheat.' Test were done on the supposed miracle variety wheat and it was concluded that the wheat was a good variety better than some but not as good as others. His reputation suffered teribbley for that. Also he was divorced and accusations of sexual misconduct followed him around for the remainder of his life.

  It should be noted that the Bible students in early times only numbred in the tens of thousands, so it was believed then that everyone had a heavenly hope. Back then only Russel was condidered to be the FDS and not the 144 thousand.

  In an attempt to saalvage his reputation he ingaged in many legal battles suing for liable when newspapers and pasters circulated factual information about him which reflected negatively on him. He never won any of these such lawsuits to my knowledge. Infact he purjered himself in one instance because he claimed to be able to recite the greek alapha bet but failed to perform a simple such task in court. He had little education and theological background so one would wonder how he was able to continuosly breakdown many of the fundmental doctrines of the church.

  This is what was given for Jesus Christ to inspect.
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  jerome

  So lets recap what was left for Jesus Christ to investigate and make a Judgement on.

  1) Two failed end time prediction (these were God's words By The Way). Jesus thought that it was acceptable for them to have thought that the worlld would end in two seperate occasions.

  2) One expected end time predictionthe Bible students at hat time moved the daate for the end of the world to 1918. Again this was Gods unquestionable date so you should have faith in it.

  3) The Finished Mystery. This was the book that contained the maajor doctrines of the Biblestudents at the time jesus supposedly judged them. If every JW were to read this book what would be the consequences.. So Christ Jesus as a Judge was supposedly to find this set of rules and teachings more acceptable than any other Church and appoint them as his sole channel of communication.

  4) They still practised Pyramidology. Pyramidology is a pagan practise.

  5) Freedom to associate with those who left the religion. Now that is a disfelloshipping offense. By The Way disfelloshipping wasnt invented yet.

  6) Russel was the Faithfulll and Discrete Slave.

  7) The FDS (Russel) was accused of sexual misconduct, was divorced because of his aggorance, had no theological background, suffered from a miracle wheat scaandal and lost every single court case in which he tried to defend his good name. Jesus found his activities more acceptable than any other minister.

  8) Organised religion was evil. Everyone was going to heaven not only the 144000, By The Way they were going to be reptured.

  9) Jesus' presence began in 1874. Previously it was said that his presence began in 1799. Jesus found this perfectly ok.

  10) Black men still bore the mark of Cain. Oh and dont forget when the New World Order came about everyone saved was going to revert to their own orignal colour WHITE.

  11) Holidays still celebrated, especially Christmas. Jesus accepted the celebration ofthese pagan evnts.

  12) Not only was the cross used but THE CROWN AND CROSS was used. The crown and crossis a symbol used by the freemasons.

  13) Michael and his Arch angles were the Pope and his Bishops.

  14) A mans desire to serve God was determined by the shape of his head.

  15) Dont forget to soak up all of those Benifictial ultraviolet rays.

  16) Very importantly New light "Cannot contradict existing light." Compare this to the present definition of new light.

  Jehovahs witnesses are expected to believe that this was all acceptable in the eyes of Christ and that it negated the good done by any other Church in Christendom.

  This was all acceptable in the Eyes of the gratest Judge in the universe.

  For these and other reasons I cannot possibly see how any Jehovah Witness can expect me to confirm that the WTBS is the TRUTH.

  My ears may have been tickeled but at least I am aware of that fact while they are totally unaware.

  Why would I want to join a religion that made Jwsus look so incapable of making proper judgement.